I just saw this too. So sad.....!! Mouthy was such a character! Mouthy, I hope that wherever you are and whatever you are doing, it is all that you ever wished for and more.
GGG
update on mouthy (grace gough)this is graces granddaughter.
i wanted to send an update that today my beautiful grandmother passed away - surrounded by friends and family.
- may 22 1927 - sept 2nd 2016. mouthys_granddaughter.
I just saw this too. So sad.....!! Mouthy was such a character! Mouthy, I hope that wherever you are and whatever you are doing, it is all that you ever wished for and more.
GGG
so my husband and i are on vacation.
we are in another country visiting his non-jw family.
we lived here for many years, and our closest jw friends are all here, albeit a 4 hr.
Honesty - my husband is still a JW, and isn't interested in 'worldly' association. I miss having friends :( But I still could never go back.
Dagny - I do sort of feel like it's set me back. I've made a couple of friends in the last few months, ex-JWs from JWN :) And I'm so thankful for mew friends. But the old friends, the ones I have decades of history with, are hard to completely let go. Knowing that they view me as a 'project', as someone who Needs Encouragement, is a little sad.
AlphaMan - nope, no more WT influence in future generations of my family! :) My kids are leading successful lives, happy and fulfilled and self-assured. At their ages, I was a pioneer and unquestioningly obedient to the WTS. Such a tragic waste of youth.
GGG
so my husband and i are on vacation.
we are in another country visiting his non-jw family.
we lived here for many years, and our closest jw friends are all here, albeit a 4 hr.
jwfacts - I so agree with you. In my family, the JW cycle is broken. My kids are informed about what the JWs really teach and know that it's NOT "The Truth". They have made real, true friends in college and in their work lives. They have travelled and stayed with friends when they arrive in different countries or states. I love telling my die-hard JW relatives this, because growing up as JWs, we are led to believe that that is only possible when you are part of Jehovah's Only True Organization. It's soooo not true!
GGG
so my husband and i are on vacation.
we are in another country visiting his non-jw family.
we lived here for many years, and our closest jw friends are all here, albeit a 4 hr.
Hi AlphaMan,
I would never go back. You are right, I am sure they both gossip about me and try to figure out how they can get me back in. I'm past the point of being treated like a 'weak' JW, and I am now worthy of love-bombing. I'm too far gone in their eyes. For me, this is both a relief (I've successfully faded!), and a little sad. It's the end of many, many close friendships. But that's ok. My freedom is worth more than that.
These JWs will never respond to logic. Any questions about the JW teachings will be answered by the JW-party-line. Doesn't matter if it makes no sense.
An interesting example of this happened when my friend's husband got up from the sofa after sitting a while.... being middle aged, he had stiffened up and groaned that he was getting old. My friend answered, Oh no, we will never get old in this system of things! You know, Millions now living will never die! .... I almost said, You know, millions who read those words already ARE dead!
GGG
so my husband and i are on vacation.
we are in another country visiting his non-jw family.
we lived here for many years, and our closest jw friends are all here, albeit a 4 hr.
So my husband and I are on vacation. We are in another country visiting his non-JW family. We lived here for many years, and our closest JW friends are all here, albeit a 4 hr. plane ride away. They all know that I am inactive, and since we weren't planning on visiting the town we lived in, 2 families came to us.
We had a blast together. We laughed until we cried, we caught up on all our friends' lives. We haven't seen them in 8 years, but we picked up where we left off like it was just last week we'd been together.
My friend had her phone FULL of greetings to us from people we know. Pictures, video messages, emails, etc, etc. Mostly they were to me, and it was really nice to see everyone.... at first. After a while, it was just uncomfortable. It was too much, it was unnatural, something.
And then one day 'the guys' were all out and it was my friend and me. And the questions began... what could she do to help, what had happened that I felt that I couldn't go back to meetings, how it was so important to stay close to Jehovah's organization, the great tribulation was about to begin, blah blah blah. I know she is sooooo sincere, and she and her whole family have fallen for the JW garbage hook, line, and sinker. She was literally in tears, trying to figure out some way to 'help' me.
I mostly told her that I knew that Jehovah understood the situation I was in (I don't believe in Jehovah), and that no matter what anyone thought, Jehovah knew that I was doing the best that I can. After so much talk about my trusting in Jehovah and how I know that Jehovah is helping me through my difficult time, she switched gears to Jehovah's Orginazation and how important it is that we stay close to that.... good grief. I'm exhausted, lol!
Anyway, it was kind of a twilight-zone experience for me.... I feel sorry for my friend, so blinded to reality. But I feel a little sorry for me, too. I miss the friendships that we had. We have history together, and our relationship will forever be different because I left the JWs.
Her kids are pioneering, as is her husband and her sister-in-law. Another sister has moved Where The Need Is Great with her husband and they have put off having children until the Paradise. MY kids have graduated from 2 of the best universities in the world, have great jobs, LOTS of friends, have traveled the world, and are free to think, say, and believe what they want. And that is priceless.
GGG
i first posted here on 3rd june 2008. at the time i was an elder, appointed the previous october, i was 36 and i was a born-in.
at the time i'd become disillusioned with the society due to the governing body's letter explaining why the book study in private homes was being abolished.
april 2008 saw me start questioning this decision, privately of course, and this eventually led me to this site, to jwfacts and to many youtube videos, all of which began to errode my faith in the leaders of the organisation.. in july 2008, having discussed my doubts with my wife, i attended the district convention, deciding to give the society one last chance to convince me it was the truth.
Wonderful story! I've been through a similar journey, from strict JW, to Christian searching for God, to serene and happy agnostic. I wish you continued good health and yoga :) Enjoy!
GGG
i'm at starbucks .
just outside in the courtyard.. i'm trembling.
my hands are shaking.. wow!.
Terry,
That was awesome.
Whatever happens next is up to Jordan. But either way, he can't un-hear what you discussed. It clearly made a deep impression. Even if he doesn't act on it now, the things he heard from you can't be erased. You planted a seed...
GGG :)
we have a version with our commentary: http://youtu.be/yn17rj_pyd4.
we also have an un-cut, un-edited version of the audio: http://youtu.be/pihfucr38sw.
asl version: http://youtu.be/dd635pqpdle.
Awesome! Can't wait for the transcript!
GGG
i guess i am just venting.
its a mess.
i just dont even know where to start with this crap.
Hi HeyThere,
The fact that your child is asking you to divorce because of the abusive relationship is a testament to your child - she doesn't want to be in an abusive situation, and doesn't want you to be, either. She's not willing to put up with any BS and that is a VERY good thing. But her healthy sense of self-esteem and self-worth can be worn away if she has to remain in an abusive situation for any length of time. And so can yours.
I'm all for saving a marriage, but not at any cost. If your husband isn't willing to change, you may want to listen to your daughter.
GGG
this is the followup to this thread:.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/276119/1/well-its-march-and-the-college-answers-are-coming-in#.uyjdu_ldv2e.
the financial aid offer came in.. the first year of attending is actually cheaper than what we were going to pay at the state university after their scholarship offer.. i mean, really cheaper.. we would be fools to turn it down.. they are even flying him in for the preview week.. .
That's so awesome!
A diploma from MIT will open more doors for your son than you could ever imagine.
Congratulations to both of you!!
GGG