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first of all,sorry for being so late with my update.my wife got up at 8 am this morning so i didn't have the opportunity to be alone for a while.. as for the meeting last night,the elder was very civil,actually commended me for writing my questions down.he never made threaths,asked me if i read apostate material or if i still considered myself a jw.. we started with the 607 question.he will not believe any research beyond the wt's but said he'd do more research on it(all wt) so i guess that will go no where.he believes that ctr got it right by using the bible so i told him if it was figured out 130 years ago,it should be very simple to explain today.the only time he looked stunned was when i showed him from the wt that they once believed that jesus' presence began in 1874.he said he had never read that and tried to walk around it even when i asked him if jehovah wanted his people to believe something that wasn't true.. we beat around a few other questions with nothing concrete coming out of it.he did take my list home with him and said he'd look at them more carefully to get some scriptural answers.i also got the feeling that my wife got a spiritual boost from his visit which was very disheartening to me.anyways,i'm going to work on this 607 thing and see how things go.my wife asked me if i felt like we got somewhere and i said no.beibg told that something is the truth just because the wt says so just doesn't convince me anymore.. i'm attaching my questions,hopefully they show up here.thanks everybody,i feel really down,like i'm wasting my time.i've been wanting to run from this religion for years and here i am still fighting to prove my points.. goldminer.
p.s.-question files won't load-sorry.
Goldminer - Don't feel too down, you said your piece and your wife heard it. She may not react to it the way you were hoping now, but the information you presented is in her brain somewhere. At some point, something else may very well trigger her to confront it.
In the meantime, we're all pulling for you!!
GGG
http://thebentinel.com/050823-robertson-calls-for-assassinations.html.
pat robertson: "kill 'em all, let god sort 'em out" .
virginia beach, virginia - wearing his trademark "kill 'em all, let god sort 'em out!
Candid -
That was really cute!! I needed a laugh at this hour!!
GGG (*checks watch...makes mental note not to drink coffee after 6pm ever again......)
if you receive an email entitled "bedtimes"
delete it immediately.
do not open it .
LOL Frannie!!!
That was good!!
GGG
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if you do pray, will you use the name that's above all other names....says the watchtower.. if not, what name do you use?.
I have never stopped believing in God, but for the longest time I stopped praying. I pray again now, but I don't use the name Jehovah, for the same reasons Billygoat stated. Also because I never felt that Jehovah heard my prayers. I feel much more 'heard' praying to Almighty God or Father.
GGG
Hope everything goes well and relatively painfree... I'll be thinking of you!!
GGG
how many of you tend to suffer through your heartaches, worries, illnesses, or anything else that gets you down----alone----while wishing that you could reach out for a little reassurance, validation, affection like you see "others" do???.
i only ask because ever since i was a kid that has been my tendency and, even though i am not suffering anything right now, i can't help but think of those who are.. why do we do it?
are we afraid of what people will think of us?
Like many here have expressed, I grew up in an emotionally abusive home where 'happy' was the only emotion I was permitted to show. I could never confide in my parents, or even talk to them, and quickly learned to take care of myself. As I grew up, I became the person who took care of everyone else's problems, too. People have always confided in me, and over the years I have connected deeply with my friends because of that.
I still never ask for help, though. I don't expect anything from anyone, because then I can't be disappointed. It's kind of strange, though, because I can't really say that I have low self-esteem, I just don't ever ask for help or support, even though I sometimes desperately need it.
Hmmmmm....
GGG ((((((((((((((hugs to everyone who needs them!!!!)))))))))))))
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let me know what score you got!!.
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my family spends a lot of time on grooming our lawn, hedges and flowerbeds.
we live near a main street and there is a path beside our house that is often used by dog owners as part of their dog walk.. i don't know how many times i've watched people allow their dogs to urinate on our hedges and defecate on our grass, when the public park is just a few feet away.
they think that poop-n-scooping is the limit of their duty of neighbourliness.. today, i had enough.
Yikes .... that picture turned out huge!!
my family spends a lot of time on grooming our lawn, hedges and flowerbeds.
we live near a main street and there is a path beside our house that is often used by dog owners as part of their dog walk.. i don't know how many times i've watched people allow their dogs to urinate on our hedges and defecate on our grass, when the public park is just a few feet away.
they think that poop-n-scooping is the limit of their duty of neighbourliness.. today, i had enough.
Here is the perfect solution to all the pet-poop-and-pee-problems......
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last night my wife said she was thinking about quitting the truth.she says she finds it too hard with me having doubts and not wanting to be a jw anymore.she has also been burned by her few jw friends,and the rest are either disfellowshipped or getting divorced.it's really hard to build lasting relationships with such people in the religion.. another positive factor is that she has made 2 good "worldly" friends over the past year.i think she's starting to see that people on the outside can be nice,have morals and accept others as they are.. i hope in time she starts feeling good about this decision and that i can slowly show her the many errors of the wts.so far she agrees with many of the things i've told her but still believes it's the truth.it's a hard battle but i never tought i'd hear her say those words.. btw,she finally called a local elder to see if he can help me with my many questions.he's coming over tonight so it should be quite interesting.i think he'll be a little surprised at some of the direct questions i have;i'm also hoping that after a while he decides there's not much hope for me and just labels me an apostate and starts talking about df'ing me.that would show my wife their attitude towards answering questions that have no scriptural answers.. anyways,i'll do my best to keep you all up-dated.it can be hard to post as my wife diesn't know i come here on a regular basis.. goldminer
Goldminer -
I'm jealous too!! But I'm happy for you!! And I hope all goes well with your meeting tonight.
GGG
