Posts by ICBehindtheCurtain

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The original sin

by onacruse in

this is a question i've had for a long time.. according to the biblical account, adam and eve's sin was to eat fruit from the forbidden tree.. now, ordinarily, when we get caught doing something "wrong," we try to hide the "offending" member (the child tries to hide his hand that has the 'stolen' cookie; we hurriedly try to pull our pants back on when mom walks in unexpectedly while we're masturbating, etc.)..

so, if the "sin" of adam and eve was eating a forbidden fruit, then why wasn't their first impulse to hide their hands?

or to wipe off their mouths?

ICBehindtheCurtain

Q.Bert, I read your words and get dejavu, I was exactly where you are know not too long ago, until I decided to check the bible out for myself, and learned the truth and the truth has set me free!

Research the Sumerians and their myths, do a search and find out where the Hebrews got YHWH from, find a bible that has the original hebrew words and the translation in english and you will see all the different names they used for what is now translated as God, it's a frightening but amazing journey my freind, but only when you choose to look outside the bible box can you learn the truth.

you can start by checking out this link, the Sumerians however predate the Zoroastrians by a few thousand years.

http://www.zarathushtra.com/z/article/biblicalconnection.htm

IC

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Well !Well!what have we here ?

by mouthy in

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=araretreat

ICBehindtheCurtain

Thanks Mouthy, that is going to be a great site for those questioning the BS religion. Regarding the apostate comment, we are all apostates everyone, even JW's, let me explain.....Israelites were apostates of the Canaanite and other religions in their time, Christians are apostates of the Jewish religion, Protestants are apostates of the Catholic religion, the Protestants extend to all religions stemming from the Catholic religion, JW's of course are apostates of the Bible Students and they are apostates from the 7th day adventists sooooo......everyone is an apostate!

APOSTATE AND PROUD!!!!!

IC

22

In the end, what will really matter?

by exwitless in

in light of the current deep philosophical discussions whirling around, i thought i would post another topic to ponder.

hillary step motivated me to start this topic by this comment on another thread:.

if there is anything that i have learned in my 500 years of life, is that none of it matters much anyway.. we all end up in some dismal cemetry with drunken kids urinating on our tombstones anyway.

ICBehindtheCurtain

Possibility #1: There is a god, and the bible is more or less right. OK, if I believe this is so, then I will be held accountable to god when I die for my actions as a believer. How do I KNOW there's a god and that the bible is correct? I can have "faith", I can strongly believe it, but how can I KNOW it? I can't. I am limited by my state of being to know for a fact. There are many others of various religions who strongly believe in their way of thinking as much as Christians do, so what makes them any less 'right' than those of a Christian belief system?

Possibility #2: There is no god, and the bible is a book written solely by men, without any actual divine inspiration. How can I KNOW that there isn't a god? How can I know that the bible was just a compilation of man's thoughts and interpretations of circumstances facing the writers? I can't know it, because I can't teleport myself back in time and ask Moses "Did god really say that?" I can read books by others who have deeply researched the subject, where there are as many supporters of the bible's divinity as there are supporters of it's being man-made.

You didn't consider Possibility #3: There is a god/goddess/creator/energy source, but he/she/it did not author the bible, men did that for different reasons, mainly to be able to control the masses. He.she/it does not hold us accountable for anything, because we are just living different experiences in our present bodies, and once this particular life is done, we return to the source and get to try it again if we so choose. He/she/it gave us free will and reason, and all those other qualities which make life a rich and interesting experience. These are just my thoughts.

IC

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Do you still or ever did confess your sins to God?

by JH in

ok, where do i start?

.

forgive me god for posting on this forum.... there, i already feel better .

ICBehindtheCurtain

I once did, when I was a blinded JW, but now I no longer believe in the concept having to confess anything to God, or in the concept of sin so I don't pray for forgiveness of anything. When I pray it's only in gratitude for different things.

IC

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Songs to make an '80's Guy (or girl) cry.....

by avishai in

jw
friends

another thread inspired this one, and i'm making myself a lil' compilation.... i'll start.

"just like heaven" the cure.

"please, please let me get what i want" the smiths....

ICBehindtheCurtain

This is a great thread, you guys have mentioned just about all my favorite tearjerkers except for these other two:

Sarah - Jefferson Starship

Captain of the Heart - Double Blue

IC

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One Minute After You Die?

by Outaservice in

jw
friends

we have various types of people on this board, some believers in god, others atheists, some agnostics, and others still jw's at heart.. in your opinion, what do you believe happens to a person one minute after they die?

how about if they are good or bad?.

outaservice ( inquiring minds want to know) .

ICBehindtheCurtain

Jaguarbass, I really liked your post, it's somewhat similar to the conclusion I've arrived at. I believe that I am eternal, that I've lived before in another body, and will return again to live another experience. I do believe in God and I believe we are all part of that entity. I no longer fear death (as in fearing that this is the end of my being), of course not that I want to die, it's just that I still have many things I want to do before I leave this particular experience, mainly see my kids grow up.

Oh, and one minute after I die, my spirit will rise above my body and realize that my time in this experience is up, and I will return to Paradise and eventually come back again.

IC

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A Letter to the Governing Body

by truthsetsonefree in

(km 6/03 p. 1 par.

9 building for an eternal future, w87 2/1 p. 15 par.

(km 11/88 p. 4 par.

ICBehindtheCurtain

The is a great letter! I wish I could anonymously send this to some witness freinds of mine who are slaving big time for this Borg, wasting their lives living in need, just to pioneer, some to be pioneers and elders it's really very sad. I'm glad you abandoned that mess.

If there was a way to send this anonymously, I would!

IC

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Abducted boy found and that's not all!

by Snoozy in

jw
friends

they were acting on a tip and raided an apartment in kirkwood missouri..not only did they find the white truck..and the boy..they found a boy that was abducted almost 5 years ago.both seemed to be in good condition.. both boys lived in rural parts of missouri also.. that just doesn't happen!

can you imagine..the parents of the first one abducted had started the fingerprint children system a while back.. i bet their parents are so happy..i am... they will tell us more later..this is going to be very interesting!.

just thought i would share..good things don't seem to happen very often in these kind of cases.. snoozy....

ICBehindtheCurtain

That is indeed GREAT NEWS! Thanks for sharing!

IC

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Article on Origins of Xristianity I Wrote REALLY UPSET Local Christians

by Seeker4 in

jw
friends

i had an assignment to write a bunch of holiday articles that would be shared by all the various papers owned by the guy who owns the paper i'm the editor of.

after i'd had enough with the usual holiday stuff, i decided to get a little adventerous and expanded one in the series to include, not just the origins of christmas foods, but also some ideas i've been reading and watching about the origins of the chrisitain religion itself.. this is a link to the article, which ran a few weeks ago: .

http://www.messagefortheweek.com/main.asp?sectionid=1&subsectionid=20&articleid=849.

ICBehindtheCurtain

I think your article was great! It's time people start opening their eyes and finding out the truth about how Christianity came about. As with the JW religion, "If it doesn't survive scrutiny it's a load of BS"!

IC

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Who is Jesus

by soulfinder in

hey everyone, i'm new here and i would really like to discuss your views on who jesus is.. please feel free to list any scripture, and i will do the same.. here are a few scriptures that may help:.

1. in the book of isaiah 7:14 jehovah prophesied that there would be a child born of a virgin, and that his name would be immanuel, which means god with us.. 14 therefore the lord himself will give you a sign: the virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him immanuel (which means god with us).. 2. in the book of john, jesus also encourages us to pray to him by saying "if you ask anything in my name, i will do it.".

john 14:14. if you askanything in my name, i will do it.. 3. here are a few instances of people worshipping jesus:.

ICBehindtheCurtain

I believe that Jesus might have been a man trying to preach a new idea, that only love was necessary....sorta like the Beatles "All you need is love", or maybe he was a radical trying to empower his people to overtake the Romans....We will never know the total truth. He never professed to be the son of god, he just didn't dispute it....or so it says in the bible. If you go to this website www.jesusneverexisted.com and read the material on there, and still believe Jesus is who you now think he is, then my freind by all means keep on keeping on....check it out if you dare.

IC