i'd like to list some beliefs within judaism and christianity that bear a resemblance to older pagan beliefs.
the wts is deceptive when they selectively point out such parallels, but only with respect to beliefs they reject.. for example, the wts argues that the origin of the concept of the immortal soul is in egyptian and babylonian mythology, both of which espoused such a concept.
but they neglect to also point out that babylonians wrote flood accounts similar to the noah story before the writing of genesis, or that baptism was practiced in pagan religions before the birth of christ.
This is a great Thread- Thanks Narkissos for that link, very interesting - and Severus thank you for that information, it goes to show that although the JW's pride themselves in staying "Spiritualy Clean" this in itself is only an illusion, because pretty much everything we do had so called "Pagan" beginnings, even down to the Amen, DAMN!!!!
I guess there's just no getting away from those damn pagans, so if you can't beat them JOIN THEM, besides theyr'e alot more FUN!!!!!
IC
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book by tim freke and peter gandy compairing the jesus story to pagan god-men.. have you read it?
i thought the conjecture about the birth of christianity from the hellenization of the jews was interesting.
Yes, I have read about this and it is very interesting, it amazes me how for 2000 years the church has been able to fool so many people into believing these myths are a fact although back then it was truly a matter of survival, you either believe and don't question or you die. The sad fact is that so many people were killed because of this lie back then and so many continue being killed today.
What a SCAM!!!!
IC
i'd like to list some beliefs within judaism and christianity that bear a resemblance to older pagan beliefs.
the wts is deceptive when they selectively point out such parallels, but only with respect to beliefs they reject.. for example, the wts argues that the origin of the concept of the immortal soul is in egyptian and babylonian mythology, both of which espoused such a concept.
but they neglect to also point out that babylonians wrote flood accounts similar to the noah story before the writing of genesis, or that baptism was practiced in pagan religions before the birth of christ.
You are Welcome! I hope you guys enjoy that link as much as I did, it's alot of information but it's worth it!
IC (of the I'm no longer blinded by Religion class)
five pages of therapy and they probably won't get past the first sentence that says i'm disassociating myself from the corporation (oh well).
i just wanted to say that i've been lurking here for awhile and that this is really a helpful forum.
lots of good info and advice!
HockeyMullet Congratulations!!!!, I think that eventually our day will come too, but first we want to enlighten as many as we can!!!
IC
i'd like to list some beliefs within judaism and christianity that bear a resemblance to older pagan beliefs.
the wts is deceptive when they selectively point out such parallels, but only with respect to beliefs they reject.. for example, the wts argues that the origin of the concept of the immortal soul is in egyptian and babylonian mythology, both of which espoused such a concept.
but they neglect to also point out that babylonians wrote flood accounts similar to the noah story before the writing of genesis, or that baptism was practiced in pagan religions before the birth of christ.
I was shocked when I found this stuff out , with the invention of the internet I think it's just a matter of time until the majority of people figure this out! I wanted to share the following info I found, it's quite interesting:
http://cc.usu.edu/%7Efath6/bible.htm
Enjoy!
IC
we all started off as happy witnesses, except for those dragged into this religion by force as kids.. in my case, i found that there were way too many meetings.
then seeing the new system being constantly pushed back, and finally when i saw a lack of true love in the congregation.
and when they hinted that probably there wouldn't be any sex and marriage for the resurrected ones.
Many here have pretty much summed it up:
The lack of love shown in the KH's
The cliques and little clubs that exist ie pioneers, elders wifes etc.
The constant do more, do more until you finally realize you DON'T really want to do MORE
The abuse of power by the Elders, CO's and MS's (their freinds and family can get away with anything)
The enormous amount of time spent on preparing for and attending those d**n, boring A*s Meetings
The necessary peddling placing and studying of material that is just meant to indoctrinate/brainwash and block any semblance of indepentant intelligent thinking by their members, which proves that the GB are malicious and know exactly what they are doing!
I could go on, but it's getting late....
IC
Hola Flag, Bienvenido! Que bueno que te animaste a compartir con nosotros, al momento mi esposo y yo estamos asistiendo a una que otra reunion, pero hemos estado inactivos por algunos meses, somos lo que llamamos aqui "faders" nos estamos alejando poco a poco de la organizacion, pues no queremos perder nuestros familiares y amigos intimos. pero ya no creemos en las enseñanzas de los Testigos. Espero poder llegar a compartir mas contigo, cuando te sientas comodo/a.
Translation:
Hi Flag, Welcome! How nice that you chose to share with us, at the moment my husband and I are attending meetings here and there, but we have been inactive por some months, we are what you would call "faders" around here, we are distancing ourselves little by little from the organization, because we don't want to lose our families and close freinds, but we no longer believe in the teachings of the Witnesses. I hope to be able to share more with you, when you feel comfortable.
IC
hi all on this thread.
i am very new here quite excited to finally make the move and register.
i have a very long story but i would like to leave that for another time perhaps.
Codeblue, I'm glad that article was beneficial for you! I loved it!
IC
just wanted to drop a line and say "hi".
i too am a long time lurker that "came out" sort of speaking.
(' bout 2 yrs!
Welcome jojochan , it's great to have so many newbies joing our wonderful community, I had recommended something that an XJW wrote to Montana another newby, I think it would benefit you also here it is:
http://www.empowerthespirit.com/truthquest/whoami.htm
Enjoy, and may your journey continue!
IC
ooh,ooh, I did and so did some others I know about, you see it doesn't matter either way, they want time reported, well their gonna get it, I bet there are many pioneers that do this anyway, cause it really doesn't matter!
IC
