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  The Atheist's Book of Bible Stories - Ch. 11 - Thanks for the Memories

  by RunningMan in

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  thanks for the memories

  and me, im walking down memory lane, .

  without a ding-dong thing on my mind.

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  RunningMan, YOU ARE VERY KOOL!!!!!

  I LOVE THOSE BIBLE STORIES OF YOURS, THANKS!!!!!!!

  IC
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  Help! My parents want to take my daughter to meetings!

  by montana96 in

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  2. friends

  i have a problem that im hoping you can all help me with.. my daughter who is now 11 was devastated when we left.

  she loved it, our fault we did everything by th book.

  she wants to go to the meetings with my parents.

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  Mercedes, one thing I didn't tell you is that since we are faders we explained to the kids why they could not share this information with any of their JW freinds, they understood and agreed this was the best thing to do at the time. We also told them that the lies were perpetuated by the leaders in the organization, the brothers at the KH's are mostly good and honest people who we love, and they don't know about these things, and we should always show love and have respect for their feelings. So far everything is fine, although I know that eventually we will DA ourselves, but hopefully by then we will have helped more people see the light.

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  Help! My parents want to take my daughter to meetings!

  by montana96 in

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  i have a problem that im hoping you can all help me with.. my daughter who is now 11 was devastated when we left.

  she loved it, our fault we did everything by th book.

  she wants to go to the meetings with my parents.

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  Mercedes, you have been given excellent advice here, I agree with Dansk, show her the truth about the organization and why it is wrong. My husband and I were in a similar spot, not that my parents wanted to take my kids to the KH, but that we had to explain to them why we were hardly going to meetings. We had also indoctrinated them very well, so I could tell they were feeling like something was wrong.

  We first started by telling them that we had found out some stuff the organization had lied about, and this was the reason we were missing meetings, we were gathering some info before we shared it with them. Then one day we sat down and explained the NGO thing, the Malawi thing, the history of the organization, and the Faithful and Discreet Slave nonsense. We were very surprised when they told us that they had felt for some time there was something wrong with the JW's. My oldest who is in his teens said that he always wondered why we needed a FDS-GB when we had Jesus Christ, and the youngest who was 11 at the time said that what really bothered him is that they kept repeating the same stuff in all the meetings and assemblies and sometimes he felt like screaming at the brother on the platform to just "SHUT UP" , imagine our surprise! (my youngest is our little firecracker, and spent alot of time in the back room during meetings), poor kid!

  After sharing those things, we told them that we were still doing more research on Religion in general and would continue sharing our findings with them, which we have done. I don't know if you have read my previous posts, but my husband and I after doing exhaustive research (mainly I did this, since I have more time) found out how the bible was put together by the church and why this was done, we have researched ancient civilizations like the Sumerians which shows that they were the original authors of some of the stories the Hebrews borrowed like Job, the story of Noah, the creation story etc. There is alot of research on this web site I hope you take advantage of this and enlighten yourselves.

  Well, we shared this info with the kids, their eyes were wide with astonishment when we told them that basically all we had known was not necessarily true. The hardest thing to let go of for my 11 year old, like your daughter was the Paradise belief, he was pretty down about this, with teary eyes he asked me that when I die, if he would never see me again, my heart just broke, I hugged him and said, that I believed we went on after we died, but that I would research this and we would talk about it again. I did extensive research into life after death, Near Death Experiences, Rebirth and was pleasantly surprised, there are instances of people that were born blind that have an NDE and they describe seeing everything in the room while they were clinically dead, there are experiences of children describing events in a past life, were they have verified the dead persons circumstances at death and they coincide with what the child said.

  Anyway, to make the long story short, my husband and I now believe in the afterlife, in all of these experiences they see their loved ones again, and go to a place that looks visually like their idea of heaven or paradise I won't tell you more I don't want to freak you out, you probably are already anyway from what I've told you. Well, here was what I wanted to find out, when we shared that info with our kids they hugged us and we could see this brought them peace. My little one said "Wow that's kool, we get to see you guys again, now I don't feel afraid of dying anymore".

  He was also very relieved when he found out there would not be a "Persecution" or "Tribulation" or the "Armaggedon", this is something that gave him nightmares, he feared we would be taken away from them and tortured, what a terrible thing to put a child through, I can tell you honestly Mercedes, that these children are today much happier and no longer afraid of living in this "worldly" system they know that we can enjoy our lives and have freinds that are not witnesses and they now enjoy that, they enjoy sports, they are free to pursue their dreams!

  We still go to some meetings, we are faders, my mom and other family members and freinds are still in, but we have helped some of my family and close freinds see the truth about the "Truth" and they pretty much believe the same as we do now, we believe in a Creator but no longer believe in Religion, and we don't believe the bible is inspired, it's been quite a Journey, but one that has been very worthwhile, I wish you the best on yours, sorry this was so long, but I hope it is of some use to you.

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  Biblical beliefs that are similar to older pagan beliefs

  by M.J. in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i'd like to list some beliefs within judaism and christianity that bear a resemblance to older pagan beliefs.

  the wts is deceptive when they selectively point out such parallels, but only with respect to beliefs they reject.. for example, the wts argues that the origin of the concept of the immortal soul is in egyptian and babylonian mythology, both of which espoused such a concept.

  but they neglect to also point out that babylonians wrote flood accounts similar to the noah story before the writing of genesis, or that baptism was practiced in pagan religions before the birth of christ.

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  This is a great Thread- Thanks Narkissos for that link, very interesting - and Severus thank you for that information, it goes to show that although the JW's pride themselves in staying "Spiritualy Clean" this in itself is only an illusion, because pretty much everything we do had so called "Pagan" beginnings, even down to the Amen, DAMN!!!!

  I guess there's just no getting away from those damn pagans, so if you can't beat them JOIN THEM, besides theyr'e alot more FUN!!!!!

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  The Jesus Mysteries

  by IP_SEC in

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  book by tim freke and peter gandy compairing the jesus story to pagan god-men.. have you read it?

  i thought the conjecture about the birth of christianity from the hellenization of the jews was interesting.

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  Yes, I have read about this and it is very interesting, it amazes me how for 2000 years the church has been able to fool so many people into believing these myths are a fact although back then it was truly a matter of survival, you either believe and don't question or you die. The sad fact is that so many people were killed because of this lie back then and so many continue being killed today.

  What a SCAM!!!!

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  Biblical beliefs that are similar to older pagan beliefs

  by M.J. in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i'd like to list some beliefs within judaism and christianity that bear a resemblance to older pagan beliefs.

  the wts is deceptive when they selectively point out such parallels, but only with respect to beliefs they reject.. for example, the wts argues that the origin of the concept of the immortal soul is in egyptian and babylonian mythology, both of which espoused such a concept.

  but they neglect to also point out that babylonians wrote flood accounts similar to the noah story before the writing of genesis, or that baptism was practiced in pagan religions before the birth of christ.

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  You are Welcome! I hope you guys enjoy that link as much as I did, it's alot of information but it's worth it!

  IC (of the I'm no longer blinded by Religion class)
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  Sent my letter in yesterday

  by HockeyMullet in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  five pages of therapy and they probably won't get past the first sentence that says i'm disassociating myself from the corporation (oh well).

  i just wanted to say that i've been lurking here for awhile and that this is really a helpful forum.

  lots of good info and advice!

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  ICBehindtheCurtain

  HockeyMullet Congratulations!!!!, I think that eventually our day will come too, but first we want to enlighten as many as we can!!!

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  Biblical beliefs that are similar to older pagan beliefs

  by M.J. in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i'd like to list some beliefs within judaism and christianity that bear a resemblance to older pagan beliefs.

  the wts is deceptive when they selectively point out such parallels, but only with respect to beliefs they reject.. for example, the wts argues that the origin of the concept of the immortal soul is in egyptian and babylonian mythology, both of which espoused such a concept.

  but they neglect to also point out that babylonians wrote flood accounts similar to the noah story before the writing of genesis, or that baptism was practiced in pagan religions before the birth of christ.

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  I was shocked when I found this stuff out , with the invention of the internet I think it's just a matter of time until the majority of people figure this out! I wanted to share the following info I found, it's quite interesting:

  http://cc.usu.edu/%7Efath6/bible.htm

  Enjoy!

  IC
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  What made you lose your joy in serving Jehovah?

  by JH in

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  2. friends

  we all started off as happy witnesses, except for those dragged into this religion by force as kids.. in my case, i found that there were way too many meetings.

  then seeing the new system being constantly pushed back, and finally when i saw a lack of true love in the congregation.

  and when they hinted that probably there wouldn't be any sex and marriage for the resurrected ones.

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  Many here have pretty much summed it up:

  The lack of love shown in the KH's

  The cliques and little clubs that exist ie pioneers, elders wifes etc.

  The constant do more, do more until you finally realize you DON'T really want to do MORE

  The abuse of power by the Elders, CO's and MS's (their freinds and family can get away with anything)

  The enormous amount of time spent on preparing for and attending those d**n, boring A*s Meetings

  The necessary peddling placing and studying of material that is just meant to indoctrinate/brainwash and block any semblance of indepentant intelligent thinking by their members, which proves that the GB are malicious and know exactly what they are doing!

  I could go on, but it's getting late....

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  my last meeting

  by flag in

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  almost a month without meetings

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  ICBehindtheCurtain

  Hola Flag, Bienvenido! Que bueno que te animaste a compartir con nosotros, al momento mi esposo y yo estamos asistiendo a una que otra reunion, pero hemos estado inactivos por algunos meses, somos lo que llamamos aqui "faders" nos estamos alejando poco a poco de la organizacion, pues no queremos perder nuestros familiares y amigos intimos. pero ya no creemos en las enseñanzas de los Testigos. Espero poder llegar a compartir mas contigo, cuando te sientas comodo/a.

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  Hi Flag, Welcome! How nice that you chose to share with us, at the moment my husband and I are attending meetings here and there, but we have been inactive por some months, we are what you would call "faders" around here, we are distancing ourselves little by little from the organization, because we don't want to lose our families and close freinds, but we no longer believe in the teachings of the Witnesses. I hope to be able to share more with you, when you feel comfortable.

  IC