Posts by Ingenuous

i just got an email that stated that another email address had been authorized to my paypal account, and that if this was not correct, to click the link below.. so (big mistake) i clicked the link.

i get a phony but convincing looking "paypal" page saying that the page had been removed, and to click the link below to go to the home page.. so i clicked that linkwww.paypal.com/someotherstuff, so i think i'm good to go here.

i log in, and then it takes me to a page where i am asked to give my credit card number as a "security measure".

Ingenuous

Dan, you did well in your follow-up. It would be a good idea to change your email password - actually, the best thing would be to go to another machine and change all your vital stats again from there. You need to scan the original box (the one you were on when you followed the link) for viruses, trojans, key loggers, etc. A lot of phishing emails are designed to download malware the second you click on a link, whether or not you enter personal info. If you don't have access to another machine and you scan your box and find malware, you'll need to change all your vitals again after your box is clean - you don't know what info was logged and sent back to the person originating the email.

URLs can look legit and be anything but. It's common practice now for hackers to create an address that looks legitimate but uses letters from a language other than English. For example: wwwdotebaydotcom looks like the eBay address in English, but may have been created using letters from another language that look like the English letters. The code for the foreign letters is different from the code for the English letters, so the address is unique and owned by someone other than eBay. The text displayed in a message can also be faked pretty easily via HTML.

Another tip: Whenever you're going to a site like PayPal or eBay and need to log-in or make changes to personal information, always open up a new browser window and enter the address by hand. It doesn't matter whether the email is legitimate or not - don't click on any links in any email. (eBay is famous for telling users not to click links in emails to get to their pages, then sending legitimate emails with links in them.) This is one way to minimize the chances of your browser being hijacked to send you to a look-alike. Anything you supposedly need to do from a link can be done by logging-in to the site directly if it is legitimate. eBay has attempted to get around the problem of fake emails by giving everyone an eBay mailbox, but I've received phishing attempts there as well.

For all its faults, eBay has a pretty decent intro on protecting your identity and ferretting out spoofs - though I wouldn't trust their recommendations for verifying an eBay address, as all of their examples can be faked.

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HAHAHA! New "Organized" book.

by Odrade in

i just finished looking over the .pdf of the new organized to do jehovah's will book.

at the end, like the others, are the "questions.

and the answers!

Ingenuous

How did the GB miss the fact that, by their own definition in the Organized book, their association with the UN "disassociates" them from "true religion"?

Organized To Do Jehovah's Will, pp. 155-156

The term "disassociation" applies to the action taken by a person who, although a baptized member of the congregation, deliberately repudiates his Christian standing, rejecting the congregation by his actions or by stating that he no longer wants to be recognized as or known as one of Jehovah's Witnesses....

Concerning those who renounced their Christian faith in his day, the apostle John wrote: "They went out from us, but they were not of our sort; for if they had been of our sort, they would have remained with us." (1 John 2:19) For example, a person might renounce his place in the Christian congregation by his actions, such as by becoming part of a secular organization that has objectives contrary to the Bible and, hence, is under judgment by Jehovah God. (Isa. 2:4: Rev. 19:17-21) If a person who is a Christian chooses to join those who are disapproved by God , a brief announcement is made to the congregation, stating: "[Name of person] is no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses." Such a person is treated in the same way as a disfellowshipped person.

I guess they assumed no one would actually read the Organized book?

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Anyone experienced the private Kingdom Schools?

by Sheepish in

i was a teacher for the first year of a newly organized "kingdom school", in 1977.

(i was young!

) this was a private school for jw's kids.

Ingenuous

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I'm sorry but

by toer5777 in

jw
friends

i have not yet to find another organization in the world that is like jw.

yes it has made mistakes, there imperfect humans, but what other organization in the world goes preaching house to house like jesus did.

why is that jw are persecuted all over the world?

Ingenuous

Dang it, jgnat, you sniped my format!

preaching house to house

Mormons
Many "House Church" groups
Some Baptist and other groups who have special "pamphleting" days
Adventist groups
"The True Faith Jehovah's Witnesses" (Romania)

a paradise here in earth... all the bad things will come to an end.

Adventist Christian Church
Seventh-Day Adventists
Some Baptists
Christadelphians
Churches of God
The Moonies (Unification Church)

If you honestly want to know what other's believe, it works really well to ask them - most people are proud of their beliefs and want to share them with those who are truly interested. While asking someone about someone else has it's place, it's simple enough to investigate what religions say about themselves: go to Yahoo! or Google, look under the Directories for religions, then just visit each page in turn and skim over their "statements of belief." You might be surprised at how unoriginal many JW teachings really are - understandable given JW's Adventist origins.

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Book Study Wk 20 11/7: pg 136-144: A SMALL HORN GAINS THE ASCENDANCY

by ithinkisee in

a small horn gains the ascendancy

20 i kept on considering the horns, said daniel, and, look!

another horn, a small one, came up in among them, and there were three of the first horns that were plucked up from before it.

Ingenuous

Amazing how the Org uses half truths to support their current teachings.

I just finished reading Russell's second and third volumes in Studies in the Scriptures.

“The holy ones” persecuted by the “small” horn—the Anglo-American World Power

Russell said the "horn" was Rome - first, "pagan" Rome, then "papal" Rome.

For years before World War I, the remnant of these anointed ones publicly warned that 1914 would see the conclusion of “the appointed times of the nations.”

They didn't just predict the "conclusion of 'the appointed times of the nations'". "The remnant of these anointed ones" also taught:

Neither Israel nor the world of mankind represented by that people will longer be trodden down, oppressed and misruled by beastly Gentile powers. The Kingdom of God and his Christ will then be established in the earth, and Israel and all the world will be blessed under his rightful and righteous authority...
True, it is expecting great things to claim, as we do, that
within the coming twenty-six years [from 1889] all present governments will be overthrown and dissolved; but we are living in a special and peculiar time, the "Day of Jehovah," in which matters culminate quickly; and it is written, "A short work will the Lord make upon the earth."...
Be not surprised, then, when in subsequent chapters we present proofs that the setting up of the Kingdom of God is already begun, that it is pointed out in prophecy as due to begin the exercise of power in A.D. 1878, and that the "battle of the great day of God Almighty" (
Rev. 16:14

), which will end in A.D. 1915, with the complete overthrow of earth's present rulership, is already commenced.

In the Daniel book:

So the foretold period of “a time, and times and half a time” ended in June 1918.

During 1918, the teaching about the 3.5 times was the same as it had been during Russell's time:

The time, times and half a time, or three and a half times or years (360 x 3 1/2 = 1260 days, symbolic time--1260 literal years), here mentioned, are elsewhere shown to be the period of Papacy's power...
Since the close of the times of Papal power are not only thus clearly fixed, as occurring during the French Revolution, but also by the events of chapter 11:40-44, which mark the very year 1799, we can readily measure backward 1260 years to note whether Papal power had its beginning there...
Measuring back 1260 years from 1799 would bring us to A.D. 539, where we shall show the Papal power began.

What an absolute mess.

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Street work

by pratt1 in

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maybe this only happens in urban neighborhoods but when i was growing up, many dubs engaged in street work, basically offering the magazines to people on the street as they walked to a destination.. usually it was an area with a lot of foot traffic at a time when many people would travel the area.. did you or people in your congo engage in this and were there any funny stories relating to this practice?

Ingenuous

Street work was one of the tougher avenues of "service" for me, as I was already an anxious person and wouldn't want strangers approaching me on the street. A friend and I went to D.C. one Saturday and met a friend of hers and we did street work. I remember us passing a group of construction workers and leaving a couple tracts with those who were taking a break. As we strolled down the opposite side of the street, we came upon a shop that sold tarot cards, potions and supplies for those involved in magick, Wicca, etc. To my horror and embarrassment, the two JWs I was with decided to stop and gawk at the window display to the shop at the exact moment the group construction workers we'd just witnessed to walked by. They were so mesmerized by the stuff in the window, they didn't even notice the workers or my very red face.

I still wonder if the workers thought we were stopping at the shop to pick up supplies.

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Bible reading without the WT filter

by watch the tower in

you know even though i think the wt doctrine is mostly all garbage now, i still do believe that the bible is inspired from our creator.

the flaw in my understanding of it in the past was because i was interpreting it through the filter of the wts.

recently i have started clean slate and read the bible without the wt filter (easier said than done, your mind has a way of reverting back to what was programmed in there).

Ingenuous

It seems as if I'd never read them before. I missed so much that was right in front of me, it's as if I can suddenly see what used to be a blindspot and the Bible seems almost completely new to me. One thing I really enjoy is that I can now consider other translations and commentary from non-Witnesses without the stress and anxiety of constantly being on the defensive.

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Hang 'Em High

by Seven in

filthy, demented pigs.... wed 26 oct 2005. .

church savaged over sexual abuse .

john innes .

Ingenuous

I say cut off their nuts!

As my father once said: "What's the point in castrating a corpse?"