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jstalin
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What is or was your favorite.......
by defd inscripture?
i know it may be hard to narrow down just one.
how about what is or was one of your favorite scriptures?
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jstalin
My favorite is 2 Kings 2:23-24 where Elisha calls on god to slaughter 42 children with a she-bear when they mock his bald head. Lo and behold, the all-loving god complies!
2:23 And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.
2:24 And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them. -
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If you asked many JW's, how far can the new system be?
by JH ini wonder what would be the average answer?
less than 10 years from now????.
back in 1990, i remember a talk during a convention, the brother said that the end was less than 10 years away.... ha
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How, exactly, will we all be slaughtered by Jehovah? From all the illustrations I've seen, it looks like a rain of fire. What is that, exactly though? A comet or meteor? Or is Jehooba just having fun and launching fire down from nowhere? Will it happen all at once, or will it progress around the world, kinda like how the sun rises and sets. Will each person have a ball of fire designated for him or her, or will it just be a shotgun effect of fire and death?
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EX JWs - What planted the seed in your mind?
by jstalin ini'm interested in finding out what planted the seed in your mind that got you started on questioning the watchtower.
what issue, event, or idea started you on the path to rejecting the watchtower?
and while we're at it, what event was the straw that broke the camel's back, that pushed you over the edge to finally quitting the organization?
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I'm interested in finding out what planted the seed in your mind that got you started on questioning the Watchtower. What issue, event, or idea started you on the path to rejecting the Watchtower? And while we're at it, what event was the straw that broke the camel's back, that pushed you over the edge to finally quitting the organization?
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Universal Declaration of Human Rights
by Lady Lee inwell as so many of know the wts prides itself on fighting for human rights.
they have courageously fought and many have gone to jail for their human rights.
all are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law.
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jstalin
Rights aren't dependent on man-made documents. Since we are human, we have rights simply for being alive - life, liberty, property. Those rights don't depend on any government.
Check out the very short book "The Law" by Frederic Bastiat. One of the best explanations of natural rights I've ever read.
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What Doctrines Have Changed?
by Rayvin ini was talking to my father about the awake!
mag talking about christianity and how their followers were losing faith and trust in the religion because doctrines have changed.
what was once a sin five yrs ago is no longer a sin.
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jstalin
http://quotes.watchtower.ca will give you copies of everything you need to show the changes in doctrine.
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Universal Declaration of Human Rights
by Lady Lee inwell as so many of know the wts prides itself on fighting for human rights.
they have courageously fought and many have gone to jail for their human rights.
all are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law.
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jstalin
Not to get too political, but Article 29 of said declaration is basically the way that the dictators get around it. If someone is doing something against the "public order," well, then it's ok to override those rights. Lists of "rights" such as this delcaration go far beyond real rights (something inherent in being a human being) to giving people "rights" to other people's property - ie., socialism.
For a far better declaration of rights, see both the US Declaration of Independence and the preamble to the Bill of Rights.
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is this Newbie initiation day?
by kid-A in.
i have spotted at least 10 newbies this week-end !!!
seems the rebel forces are growing stronger by the minute....... welcome y'all !
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n00bs unite!
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Howdy - Help needed
by jstalin init's great to finally be able to post here (there's been a problem over the last month with new registration).
i've been lurking for about two months because i have a friend who's a jw and i was interested in finding more out about his religion.
i started asking him things about it and he would get a bit cagy and wondered why i was asking.
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All,
Thanks for your responses so far.
jgnat: I didn't notice the passive voice until you just pointed it out. I knew that there was something else wrong with the pattern of speech, but that just nailed it for me. Very odd. Another thing I noticed is the constant use of qualifiers, such as "it appears," or "it seems," or "apparently." These are followed by absolutely no reasoning as to why things "appear" to be a certain way. The one instance that pops into my mind is in the Daniel book where it says that "Nabonidus, it seems, married the daughter of Nebuchadnezar." It seems? Where does it seem? What a joke! No citation, no paranthetical notation, no footnote... nothing!
Dune: I have thought about your statement before I posted this. I don't want to heavy-handedly attack him, my tactic is to very slowly introduce items of doubt. I've said things, completely off the cuff sounding and unrelated to JWs to him that I hope will get him to connect some dots. I'm working this very subtly. I want him to be able to discover the truth by himself, with a little nudging from me.
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Howdy - Help needed
by jstalin init's great to finally be able to post here (there's been a problem over the last month with new registration).
i've been lurking for about two months because i have a friend who's a jw and i was interested in finding more out about his religion.
i started asking him things about it and he would get a bit cagy and wondered why i was asking.
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jstalin
Hello all,
It's great to finally be able to post here (there's been a problem over the last month with new registration). I've been lurking for about two months because I have a friend who's a JW and I was interested in finding more out about his religion. I started asking him things about it and he would get a bit cagy and wondered why I was asking. I'm agnostic and he knows it. I've built up enough trust with the issue that he answers my questions now, but he's also started giving me copies of the literature. He last gave me the prophecy of Daniel book. After reading that book, I was shocked by a few things:
1) The non-sensical "dating" scheme of 607 BC and 1914. Could any JW explain the reasoning behind that one without a WT book backing them up?
2) The tone of the writing. I am a very extensive reader and I read mostly non-fiction. The tone of the JW literature is as though I'm being talked down to. It was very hard for me to finish the Daniel book because I was very irritated. The writing style is that of about fifth grade. And... they quote the encyclopedia. That's is something you do only in grade school.
3) The complete conjecture. How can anyone take the Daniel prophecy and make it into a King of the North (currently unknown) and the King of the South (USA). Gee, is the next king of the North going to be Canada, or Santa Claus?
In addition, he invited me to the latest memorial at the Kingdom Hall in his area. I decided to go, telling him that I have no interest in converting, that I simply want to go to observe and experience something new. He was ok with that. I again was surprised by several things at the meeting:
1) My friend said it would probably be packed, so we left early. I'd say the place was 25% full, which made me chuckle. At the end of the "meeting," the elder addressed the "many guests." I looked around and couldn't pick out anyone who looked like a guest.
2) The Bible quoting by the elder during the reading was a little laughable. They pick out one verse from five different books and/or stories to prove the point. It's selective quoting. It makes me wonder if any of them read an entire book and/or chapter of the Bible.
3) I got love-bombed. I walked in the door with my friend and suddenly everyone was shaking my hand and asking my name. I'm an introvert by nature, so this unsettled me. They were obviously all fake.
So it was at that point, and after starting to read this site, that I realized that my friend is schockingly brainwashed. I bought the book Combatting Mind Control and thoroughly enjoyed it. It's my personal mission to try and un-convert my friend now so I've been reading as much as I can on JWs and WT. I plan to take it very slowly, but I want to get him to start thinking about WT doctrine. I tried just once having a discussion about evolution and that was fruitless... they have no interest in objective fact, just what the WT says about the issue, so I've decided to take a more subtle approach.
That's where you all come in... can any of you suggest some tactics to take to introduce him to the "real truth?"