if i told you that something bigger is on the horizon than dateline, bbc, cbc, sunday (australia), and all other tv programs which exposed the sexual child abuse cover-up by watchtower in 2002-2003, would you believe me?
have i ever misled you?
i'll answer that--no!
I'm still pondering the news and in the great JW tradition I'd like to offer an illustration:
If you set your freezer thermostat to 33-degrees farenheit eventually any ice in it will melt. Only a small, 1-degree change, but enough to turn hard ice to water. The ice will not melt instantly ...it is a slow thawing process. Maybe this perceptively "small" news will turn out to be pivitol after all.
i was reading the following a news story about a jw baby in trinidad who was given a transfusion .
http://www.newsday.co.tt/stories.php?article_id=31748.
the child has already been made a ward of the court, but certainly the information in the essay will be of interest to the dr's and courts in this case no?
I was reading the following a news story about a JW baby in Trinidad who was given a transfusion
http://www.newsday.co.tt/stories.php?article_id=31748
The child has already been made a ward of the court, but certainly the information in the essay will be of interest to the Dr's and Courts in this case no? This can be an area of activism....keeping an eye on all JW blood cases around the world and making sure the parties involved know of this new research on the JW blood information.
i remember knocking on a door in the field service, and the girl who answered the door, looked at me and said in french, "allez vous faire crosser" .
although i didn't laugh, i found it very funny.
the brother with me also had a smile on his face, but didn't say a word, as we walked back to the car.
Let's see...a few experiences stand out: - the man who told us we were "Satan's Witnesses" when we tried to offer him a tract - the man who listened to our presentation then proceeded to take of his belt and whip it at us! - the woman who opened her door to reveal a full Santeria altar and glared at us and told us she was a high priestess and was proud of and happy with her religion - the [very sexy & muscular] man who came to the door in a towel (actually, that might've been the best!)
please can someone summarise the big news or put it in plainer english?
i've rushed home from work anxious to hear it, read it and still don't understand the ramifications for the borg of this.
it could be because my head is spinning from work or i am just plain stupid....from what i've read the impact isn't going to have my family throwing down their watchtowers and realising they love me more, but hat was my own particular pie in the sky.. also how do we get it so that it comes up on google so that anyone wanting to know about jws and blood come to this news straight away.. dunce-crumpet.
The JW asks:
- Why would the Society lie about this?
- If the Society lied about this, what else did they lie about?
- Am I willing to trust the Society with my life based on this information?
VERY good point Severus. In fact, this very line of thinking is what brought ME out of the WT.
Once I came to the conclusion that Ministerial Servants and Elders are NOT appointed by God's Holy Spirit (after having personal experience with those that are up to no good) it started a domino process of investigating their other grandiose claims and in a matter of DAYS the entire house of cards collapsed.
i used to be so into prophecy and actually loved the climax book when it first came out.
now, i can't believe i bought into that bs.
anyhow, name a ridiculous climax book interpretation.
Man! The memories! That book was touted by the elders as being "real deep" (yeah...deep in bulldookie!)
The first time I got a "Don't go there" look from an Elder was when I approached the brother conducting the study with some questions about about the interpretations given. I'll never forget the look on his face and I never got past the first question!
i've been trying to get on to buy the book but i can't even get on the site.
I've been trying to get on to buy the book but I can't even get on the site.
sorry...there are just so many threads related to the "big news", reaction to the big news, and lastly reaction to the reaction to the big news...just couldn't help myself.. how about some fluff...just for a few minutes.
fluff can be good.. so, whatcha all doing today?
xmas shopping?
So, whatcha all doing today? Xmas shopping? Setting up your tree or Festivus pole?
I don't know what a Festivus pole is but I like the sound of it!
do some of you expect?!?!.
i am extremely disappointed to read some people's comments about the latest news.
it is one thing to express and opinion, perhaps that you think it isn't as big as you imagined (one wonders what you imagined) but it is another to be downright insulting to people who have put a lot of time and effort into this.. get real.
I thought it was rather childish the way many were slobbering over the news. REALLY big news doesn't need a precursor. Think about it.
That's the point!! That's why some are disappointed at the scope of the news (not the news itself which is, in fact, good news)...because there was the precursor of a sensational headline. I admit I got excited and excuse me for doing so! I just get excitable when I imagine anything that will hurt the WTBTS. My sense of justice demands I rejoice when justice is served!
do some of you expect?!?!.
i am extremely disappointed to read some people's comments about the latest news.
it is one thing to express and opinion, perhaps that you think it isn't as big as you imagined (one wonders what you imagined) but it is another to be downright insulting to people who have put a lot of time and effort into this.. get real.
I still haven't read the entire essay (will probably download & read over the weekend) but it could produce big results in 2 ways: First, if the legal community picks this up and takes it seriously, the WTBTS might be forced to change the blood doctrine, making it a matter of conscience, then JW's will leave by the droves (esp those who've had loved ones die on account of it). New light is one thing, but this light would be too hot for most to bear. Secondly, the lawsuits...(new ones and it might make ongoing ones easier to prosecute?) But a question...Barbara has mentioned activisim and writing letters to the GB...if we do blast them with thousands of letters, do you think that will seriously influence them to change the policy?
i work at the department of health here in washington state.
i took two copies of barbara's initial post (infomercial) regarding the news and the links.
what i got were people highly skeptical of the voracity, and highly suspicious of the university that published it (baptist so therefore not really credible in the subject of law).
Interesting. You know I was thinking too, how much weight does the signed blood card have? That might overrule any "tort of misrepresentation" since the JW signs it in accordance with Acts 15:28,29 and not in accordance with the [dis]information in the blood brochure. The JW's presents misrepresenations in MUCH of their printed materials. Quoting things out of context, using dubious sources, etc, yet the average JW is either unaware of these misrepresentations or doesn't care. The excerpts Barbara posted did allude to other areas of misrepresentation tho...such as their recruitment methods. They may be more likely to "hang" on something like that.
