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cordelias first ever birthday!

by Cordelia in

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hey i keep forgetting but its my birthday tomorrow!.

18th november i will be the big 30 (and i look about 11!).

i really wanted tobe completely open and celebrate it properly i never dreamt i'd be still in the position of living a double life and hiding my true feelings from my family (see my other thread).

mdb

What's this about it being Pagan; That's a new one on me!

Actually, birthdays are not pagan but, the Watchtower teaches they are because they say the only two instances where birthdays are mentioned in the bible are of wicked men and they both had someone killed on their birthday. Pharaoh's birthday in Gen 40:20 - had the chief butler hanged; Herod's birthday in Matt 14:6 (Mk 6:21) - had John the Baptist beheaded.

Of course, this does not prove whatsoever that birthdays are evil, only that these men who are mentioned here did evil things on their birthday. The Watchtower is reading something into the text that is not there.

Enjoy your birthday! It's a celebration of the day God gave you life.

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Removing "God"

by startingover in

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with the continuing thiest-athiest debates that go one here, i have a question, mainly for believers.. as a believer in god, how does it make you feel when you hear about athiest michael newdow's efforts to have "in god we trust" removed from us currency?

i guess this question could include the 10 commandments being displayed on public building issue, or removing reference to god from the pledge of allegiance.

mdb

defd,

There is just way too much EVIDENCE in the bible, that the Paradise Earth is REAL.

Actually, there is ZERO evidence in the bible of a "Paradise Earth". It is a conjured up doctrine required so that the WTS followers have something to hope for since the 144000 people who apparently go to heaven, was fulfilled in 1935.

In reality, all of God's children go to heaven to be with Christ and the Watchtower's teachings regarding the 144000 are as erronous as their teachings on this "Paradise Earth" fallacy.

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Masonic Infiltration of this board

by stillajwexelder in

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there are freemasons infiltrating this board.

i have positive proof.

all be careful

mdb

The KKK is a splinter group, not a branch of Freemasonry.

In the book I just mentioned, it states the below. If you're still not convinced, research it yourself. It is true.

One of the topics of discussion in this manual deals with the Ku Klux Klan (KKK). I truly expect that it will be distressing for most Masons to learn that the KKK is only one of many organizations created and maintained by the inner circle and doctrines of Freemasonry. These doctrines demonstrate the truth of Masonry to what every Mason has sworn in solemn oath to blindly uphold under penalty of death. The death penalty coincidentally becomes a very apt description of the wages of Masonry once the truth has been revealed and understood. This truth may well be considered a warning to each and every Mason, the personal jeopardy of their spiritual lives in what should be carefully examined in an eternal context. In considering the KKK further, I will draw upon a small portion of a lengthy discussion written by William J. Whalen in his book titled "Handbook of Secret Organizations" contained on pages 94 and 95 as follows:

"The new Klansman was inducted into the secret society in a lodge room which featured an altar with an American flag, sword, and Bible opened to the twelfth chapter of Romans. After instruction in the principles of the Klan and a prayer the initiates knelt on their right knee and swore the Klan oath. It was given in two parts:

I, ....., in the presence of God and man, solemnly pledge, promise, and swear unconditionally that I will faithfully obey the constitutions and laws and will willingly conform to all regulations, usages, and requirements of the Ku Klux Klan which do now exist or which may be hereafter enacted, and will render at all times loyal respect and steadfast support to the Imperial Authority of same, and will heartily heed all official mandates, decrees, edicts, rulings and instructions of the Imperial Wizard thereof. I will yield prompt response to all summonses, I having knowledge of same, Providence alone preventing.

A little later the recitation of the oath was continued:

I most solemnly swear that I will forever keep sacredly secret the signs, words, grips, and any and all matters and knowledge of the K.K.K. regarding which a most rigid secrecy must be maintained, which may at any time be communicated to me, and will never divulge them nor cause same to be divulged to any person in the whole world. I will die rather than divulge same. So help me God! Amen.

All the top officials of the revived Klan were Masons, most of them also active in the Scottish rite. When Klan recruiters visited a new town they concentrated on the local Masons since they were already presumed to be anti-Catholic and anti-Negro and accustomed to swearing oaths and preserving lodge secrecy."

Pike seems to have been definitely influenced by the Italian Freemason and revolutionary, Giuseppi Mazzini (1805-1872). Mazzini and Pike were the malignant "Bobbsey Twins" of 19th century Masonry, with Pike running the show in the States and Mazzini in Europe. Both were military men with noses for rebellion. Pike was a general on the side of the Confederacy in the Civil War, even though he was a 'Yankee' born in Boston!

Mazzini had formed a society in Sicily called the Oblonica, which translates loosely as "I reckon with a dagger." As is typical with the Masons, Mazzini formed an order within an order. This elite inner group was called by a term much more familiar to the reader – the Mafia!

Although most people know what the Mafia is, few people realize it was founded as a Sicilian Masonic terrorist organization. The name Mafia emerged around 1860 and is an acronym for Mazzini autorizza furti, incendi, avvelenamenti – Mazzini authorizes thefts, arson and poisoning.

Illuminati touches are also evident in the Mafia. Remember the Illuminati Law of the fives and their sign – the hand with palm forward and five digits extended? Some people may remember that the Mafia was known by another term, Il Mano Nigro – the Black Hand! In the society's heyday, Mafia crimes were often sealed by a black handprint at the scene, as if someone had taken their palm, pressed it in ink and then made a hand print on the wall.

The Mafia also has its blood oaths, its code of silence, the Omerta, and it does "take care of its own." It is an ideal Masonic organization.

Pike, on the other hand, helped create what I call "Masonry in percale," the Ku Klux Klan! Pike, the old Confederate general, was a wily strategist who knew that if he could leave behind a secret terrorist society in the south to fight against freedom for black people as a rear guard action, the south's defeat might not be in vain.

In 1870, Pike and Mazzini completed an agreement to create a supreme universal rite of Masonry, which would over-arch all the other rites, even the different national rites. It would centralize all high Masonic bodies in the world under one head. This head would be, in the ultimate sense, Lucifer. However, Pike and Mazzini would be his human regent. To this end, the Palladium rite was created as the pinnacle of the pyramid of power.

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Masonic Infiltration of this board

by stillajwexelder in

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there are freemasons infiltrating this board.

i have positive proof.

all be careful

mdb

Forget the masons, I hear the Elk's Lodge is the new underground power to be dealt with.

The Elk's Lodge is a branch of Freemasonry. The same as Demolay International, Shriner's (founders of Shriner's Children Hospital), KKK, the Mofia, etc. Even Mormonism has it's roots in this secret society.

You want to know about Freemasonry, go to this web page and download the book called Freemasonry On Trial (*.pdf format). It has no copywrite on it. It's a good start.

http://www.ctmin.org/Choosing%20Truth%20Manuals.htm

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I dislike holier than thou people

by MsMcDucket in

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i was raised to be pentacostal.

i hated that religion and their holier than thou attitudes.

so, i went against my mother and listened to the dubs.

mdb

Oh holy one! Oops, I meant, mdb, what's your denomination? You sound just like Jesus. Especially when you said "be careful". So you say Jesus died for our sins. So, if this is true, I can commit sins and his blood will cover them. We are saved by grace, right? And if we aren't saved by the blood of Jesus after being baptized (by full immersion), then your religion doesn't know what it's talking about.

Jesus also said "none is good".

Jesus said, "none is good except God." By the statement, He was claiming His deity because He did not deny the man's calling Him "good teacher."

When you mock me by calling me "holy one" and say that I sound just like Jesus, would you think it a fair assumption to conclude that if Jesus (who is God, the great I AM) were here speaking to you, you would also scoff and mock Him? Or is that presumptuous of me?

I do not label myself a "denomination". I grew up in a Christian home (What does that mean, right? Even JW's call themselves Christians. Of course, saying you're a Christian doesn't make you one.) and I grew up in a Baptist church. I've attended Pentacostal churches, the

So you say Jesus died for our sins. So, if this is true, I can commit sins and his blood will cover them. We are saved by grace, right?

What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Romans 6:1-4

If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

1 John 1:6-10

Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—is not of the Father but is of the world. And the world is passing away, and the lust of it; but he who does the will of God abides forever.

1 John 2:15-17

Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.

Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

1 John 3:4-9

We know that whoever is born of God does not sin; but he who has been born of God keeps himself, and the wicked one does not touch him.

1 John 5:18

I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good. 22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man. 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25 I thank God—through Jesus Christ our Lord!

So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.

Romans 7:21-25

In our flesh we are captive to the law of sin, but those who know God do not intentionally sin and by doing so, abuse His grace. If you do this, you deceive yourself and God is not in you.

And if we aren't saved by the blood of Jesus after being baptized (by full immersion), then your religion doesn't know what it's talking about.

Baptism by water does not save. This type of baptism is an outward declaration of the inner change of a man – the circumcision of the heart, being born of the Spirit and baptised into Him. Water baptism does not nullify the redeeming power of Jesus’ blood. If baptism by water was required for a man’s salvation, then salvation would no longer be by grace alone (Eph 2:8-11), but by God’s grace and some other requirement (works).

And being assembled together with them, He commanded them not to depart from , but to wait for the Promise of the Father, “ which, ” He said, “ you have heard from Me; for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now. ”

Acts 1:4,5

And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning. Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.

Acts 11:15,16

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Ephesians 2:8-11

My “religion” does not believe in what you’ve stated. You misunderstand the scriptures or have been lied to. I am assuming you’ve been lied to by the WTS.

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I dislike holier than thou people

by MsMcDucket in

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i was raised to be pentacostal.

i hated that religion and their holier than thou attitudes.

so, i went against my mother and listened to the dubs.

mdb

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I dislike holier than thou people

by MsMcDucket in

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i was raised to be pentacostal.

i hated that religion and their holier than thou attitudes.

so, i went against my mother and listened to the dubs.

mdb

And cue the apologist......

Being that by definition an apologist is "a person who argues in defense or justification of something, such as a doctrine, policy, or institution.", that makes you one as well. Do you not also argue in defense or justification of something (your beliefs and ideas)? We're all apologists in one way or another.

What's with the hostility? Sorry you've been so hurt by the Watchtower cult. I sense a lot of bitterness and hate.

Whether you believe or not does not change the truth. You'll find out one way or the other that Jesus Christ is the only way to life. I hope you don't find out once it's too late. This life is the only one you have to make the choice. It does not matter what you think of me for telling you the truth, and regardless of what you've been told, God still loves and cares for you. That's why He died for your sins and mine.

Do you think that I'm better than you, or that I think I'm better than you? If you do, you're wrong. I'm just as much a wretch as any man is. The only difference between us is that positionally, I've accepted Christ and believe the testamony of the One who sent Him to die for me. It's the grace of God that has saved me, not because I'm "holier than thou" or have done some certain thing to deserve it. God died for all that all might come to Him and be saved, but He has also given us a choice: pick up your cross and follow Christ or don't follow Him; accept life by faith in Christ Jesus - God's Son, or go the way of the world and condemnation. I do pray that you'll choose life. Hellfire is real and eternal. I cannot imagine being thrown into a lake of fire for even a moment. As for eternity, I've only ever known "time". To be tormented without end is painful to even think about.

God is love, but He is also righteous and just and hates sin. The wicked will be punished and according to God's word, that punishment is eternal. That's the way it is regardless of whether you or I or anyone thinks it's fair or not. Who are we to determine what is right or wrong, what is just or unjust? The only way to escape the second death (lake of fire), is to be covered by the blood of Jesus Christ (his righteousness becomes our own) and to be born again - born of the Spirit. The Scriptures say, repent therefore, and be saved.

"For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us."

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I dislike holier than thou people

by MsMcDucket in

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i was raised to be pentacostal.

i hated that religion and their holier than thou attitudes.

so, i went against my mother and listened to the dubs.

mdb

MsMcDucket,

What in your mind is an "holier than thou" person? The phrase makes me more uptight than anything else. Is someone "holier than thou" if they're not living in sin, when they rebuke you for something you have done, or make you wear dresses you don't want to wear?

I understand that some individuals are definitely "legalistic" and would rather or unknowingly tend to live by the law and not by grace. I often feel people impress on someone else the "holier than thou" label when they've been rebuked or corrected in a certain matter and what was said "cut to the heart" and they know they're in the wrong. It hurts, therefore a person becomes defensive rather than humbly accepting their folly and repenting of it. On the other hand, many times a person corrects another while hypocritically living their own life contrary to their teachings. In either case, it doesn't make them "holier than thou". They're either right (so we label them out of pride) or they're hypocrites and have no place to judge another. Of course, judging another is a whole different topic (we are not to judge anyone outside the body of Christ, but to love - those who do not have the Holy Spirit do not necessarily know any better).

So, when I see a Pentacostal woman at work in a dress, it just makes me dislike them.

Be careful. Take hold of your hurt and anger and give it over to Christ. His yoke is easy and His burden is light. Don't carry your hatered around with you or it will fester and you'll become like the ones you apparently despise. By your comment above, you're judging by mere outward appearance. Isn't that what makes us in our flesh label someone as "holier than thou"... they're judging us?

And no, I'm not Pentacostal and Pentacostal is not a religion, but a denomination of Christianity.

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Hi I am new here!!!!!

by lucifer in

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my mom told me about this site im embarrassed to tell yahs who she is haha,kidding shes legolas, lets see i left the "truth" aka the lie in june, although we stopped going a year ago, i just want to see if i can learn more about the lies in the cult because my old best friend works with me but she is a jw and she acts like i dont exist, i want to tell her somthing thats a real shocker and maybe shell come to her senses, any ideas??!

i just want to say hi to jordan....so hi!!!!

mdb

I've only ever used the NWT

Don't. It's false.

Also, the pronunciation used in "The Passion" was Jeshua.; the WT used Jeshua.; Another spelling is Yeshua.; Jesus was also known as Jeshua ben Joseph ...son of Joseph.

You are correct here. These are other translations.

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Hi I am new here!!!!!

by lucifer in

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my mom told me about this site im embarrassed to tell yahs who she is haha,kidding shes legolas, lets see i left the "truth" aka the lie in june, although we stopped going a year ago, i just want to see if i can learn more about the lies in the cult because my old best friend works with me but she is a jw and she acts like i dont exist, i want to tell her somthing thats a real shocker and maybe shell come to her senses, any ideas??!

i just want to say hi to jordan....so hi!!!!

mdb

mdb, Jesus was his Roman name.; His Aramaic name was Jeshua, not Joshua.

If you are going to criticise, get your criticisms straight

dido.

Acts 5:45 KJV

45 Which also our fathers that came after brought in with Jesus (also translated: Joshua) into the possession of the Gentiles, whom God drave out before the face of our fathers, unto the days of David;

2424 ??s??? [ Iesous / ee·ay· sooce /] n pr m . Of Hebrew origin 3091 ; TDNT 3:284 ; TDNTA 360 ; GK 2652 ; 975 occurrences; AV translates as “Jesus” 972 times, “Jesus (Joshua)” twice, and “Jesus (Justus)” once. 1 Joshua was the famous captain of the Israelites, Moses’ successor. 2 Jesus, son of Eliezer, one of the ancestors of Christ. 3 Jesus, the Son of God, the Saviour of mankind, God incarnate. 4 Jesus Barabbas was the captive robber whom the Jews begged Pilate to release instead of Christ. 5 Jesus, surnamed Justus, a Jewish Christian, an associate with Paul in the preaching of the gospel. Additional Information: Jesus = “Jehovah is salvation”.