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  Released JW Rapist DAVID PENMAN Causing Stir

  by West70 in

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  has someone else posted this, and i just can't find it?

  http://www.inverness-courier.co.uk/news/fullstory.php/aid/354/what_should_be_done_with_this_man_.html .

  there are also 2 other articles which do not mention penman's jw affiliation.

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  West70

  First, this news article doesn't get posted.
  
  
  Now, noone wants to comment on DAVID PENMAN.
  
  
  Well, this is not the first time ...
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  Soldier Reared JW Is One of Five Accused In Iraqi Rape Scandal

  by West70 in

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  2. current

  another soldier charged in the case, spc.

  james paul barker, was raised a jehovah's witness and always respected women, said marisol sanchez, 40, of fresno, who identified herself as barker's aunt.

  "he has very good morality," sanchez said.

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  West70

  Jeff:
  
  With regard to this being or not being "scandalous" re JWs, the fact that I chose to post this under "Current" rather than "Scandals" speaks for itself. None of the above comments make this out to be a big scandal, so just where did you get the idea that this is being made out as a "big scandal"?
  
  On the other hand, this is JW-related news, and it does give those unfamiliar with JWs something to think about -- whether those thoughts are +, -, or neutral toward JWs -- such will simply have to fall where they may with each individual reader.
  
  Is the fact that Barker was reared as a JW is newsworthy or "significant" to the rape-story?
  
  Barker's Aunt seemed to think so when she spoke to the reporter.
  
  The reporter seemed to think so when the article was written.
  
  The reporter's editor(s) seemed to think so when they decided to publish the article.
  
  Maybe you should join the JWs who share your opinion and send an email to the reporter and editors chewing them out for reporting and publishing such irrelevant and useless info.
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  Released JW Rapist DAVID PENMAN Causing Stir

  by West70 in

  1. social
  2. current

  has someone else posted this, and i just can't find it?

  http://www.inverness-courier.co.uk/news/fullstory.php/aid/354/what_should_be_done_with_this_man_.html .

  there are also 2 other articles which do not mention penman's jw affiliation.

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  West70

  http://icscotland.icnetwork.co.uk/news/scottish/tm_objectid=17334374&method=full&siteid=50141&headline=rapist-move--terrified--locals-name_page.html
  
  
  
  
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  Soldier Reared JW Is One of Five Accused In Iraqi Rape Scandal

  by West70 in

  1. social
  2. current

  another soldier charged in the case, spc.

  james paul barker, was raised a jehovah's witness and always respected women, said marisol sanchez, 40, of fresno, who identified herself as barker's aunt.

  "he has very good morality," sanchez said.

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  West70

  This news story is getting wide distribution across the country, thus might trigger interest in the Jesus Manuel Cano story, which got no coverage outside NY and Chicago markets. Those who contact the media might want to try piggy-backing the two stories, and possibly even the recent David Penman articles.
  
  There were 2 small followups on Cano today, and neither mentioned his JW affiliation. In fact, the local newspaper Orange County, NY went out of its way to mislead readers into thinking Cano lived in an "apartment" in "Wallkill".
  
  I wonder how many ex-Bethelites work in that newspaper's printing facility?
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  Released JW Rapist DAVID PENMAN Causing Stir

  by West70 in

  1. social
  2. current

  has someone else posted this, and i just can't find it?

  http://www.inverness-courier.co.uk/news/fullstory.php/aid/354/what_should_be_done_with_this_man_.html .

  there are also 2 other articles which do not mention penman's jw affiliation.

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  West70

  Has someone else posted this, and I just can't find it?
  
  http://www.inverness-courier.co.uk/news/fullstory.php/aid/354/What_should_be_done_with_this_man_.html
  
  There are also 2 other articles which do not mention Penman's JW affiliation.
  
  
  Was Penman reared as a JW, or converted?
  
  Did Penman locate and target his 2 victims via the door-to-door work?
  
  Other info ...?
  
  Why the "coverage" blackout?
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  Soldier Reared JW Is One of Five Accused In Iraqi Rape Scandal

  by West70 in

  1. social
  2. current

  another soldier charged in the case, spc.

  james paul barker, was raised a jehovah's witness and always respected women, said marisol sanchez, 40, of fresno, who identified herself as barker's aunt.

  "he has very good morality," sanchez said.

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  The following news article from Barker's hometown newspaper seems to indicate that this is the too-often-repeated tale of the WATCHTOWER SYSTEM OF SALVATION which met the spiritual need of the impoverished inner-city single Mother, but left her male child(ren) "high and dry".
  
  
  
  
  
  One of five U.S. soldiers charged in girl's rape, murders appears to be from the Valley.
  
  By Diana Marcum / The Fresno Bee
  
  (Updated Tuesday, July 11, 2006, 4:24 AM)
  
  A Fresno soldier apparently is one of five men who have been charged with raping an Iraqi teenager and murdering her, her parents and her 6-year-old sister.
  
  Army Spc. James P. Barker, 23, is charged with premeditated murder, rape, obstruction of justice, consuming alcohol in violation of U.S. military orders in Iraq, housebreaking and arson in the March 12 attack in Mahmoudiya, 20 miles south of Baghdad.
  
  Officials on Monday released the names of Barker and four other soldiers suspected in the case. A sixth suspect was named earlier.
  
  The U.S. military did not confirm Barker's hometown, but his name, age and station before deployment in Iraq match those of a soldier who grew up in Fresno.
  
  A Fresno woman who identified herself to The Associated Press as James Barker's mother said she had not been contacted by the military, however.
  
  "I really don't have any comment," she said. "I really don't know if it's him or not."
  
  Marisol Sanchez, 40, of Fresno, who identified herself as Barker's aunt, told The AP: "He has very good morality." Sanchez said he was raised a Jehovah's Witness.
  
  "I know he's not the kind of person who's going to do something like this, especially to disrespect a woman,'' she said. ''I don't think so. I don't see him that way."
  
  The allegations in the case are among the most heinous involving U.S. troops in the past three years of war in Iraq.
  
  According to a federal affidavit, several soldiers went to the rape victim's home, where one soldier herded her parents and sister into a room and killed them with shots from an AK-47 rifle. At least two soldiers raped the 14-year-old girl, then shot her several times in the head, the indictment charges.
  
  They set her body afire in an effort to conceal the crime and blamed it on insurgents, according to the charges.
  
  Sgt. Paul E. Cortez, Pfc. Jesse V. Spielman and Pfc. Bryan L. Howard also were charged with premeditated murder, rape and obstruction of justice. Cortez and Spielman also were charged with consuming alcohol in violation of U.S. military orders in Iraq, housebreaking and arson.
  
  Sgt. Anthony W. Yribe of Hailey, Idaho, was charged with dereliction of duty and making a false statement for his failure to report the rape and killings, but he is not alleged to have been a direct participant, the U.S. military said in a statement from Baghdad.
  
  The military announced Sunday it had charged the five men, but officials did not release their identities until Monday.
  William Willhoite, a U.S. military spokesman in Baghdad, said it was not known when further details would be provided. All the soldiers are from the 101st Airborne Division stationed at Fort Campbell, Ky.
  
  A former member of the unit, Steven D. Green, 21, of Denver City, Texas, pleaded not guilty in the case last week in federal court in Louisville, Ky. He is charged with four counts of murder and one count of rape.
  
  Green was sent home from Iraq about a month after the rape and killings and was discharged in May from the Army, which cited a "personality disorder." He has been charged as a civilian because the military no longer has jurisdiction over him, according to military officials.
  
  News of the attack has been met with international shock and revulsion. But on Monday in the southeast Fresno neighborhood where Barker grew up, neighbors were further staggered by the idea that one of the soldiers charged with killing a girl and her family may have been one of their friends.
  
  "You think the same way that you did before, that it's disgusting. But then when it's someone you know, it's right through the heart. It's all wrong. It's hard to believe. He grew up with us," said 21-year-old Jesus Caranza.
  
  "We never thought of him doing something like that. He was a pretty swell guy. Not to take it to the extreme, he had his problems. But that's too far out of range."
  
  Caranza said Barker, whom friends call "Bunky," is the son of a hardworking woman who sells sweet breads from a car and has a black belt in karate. His mother, Roselia Barker, did not return phone calls from The Bee.
  
  Neighbors said Barker attended several area high schools, eventually earning a G.E.D.
  
  "When he left for the Army, he didn't really want to go, but he went out of obligation because he had nothing else going for him. No job," Caranza said.
  
  Before he went to Iraq, Barker encouraged Caranza to join the Army.
  
  Last winter Caranza can't recall the exact month Barker called from Iraq.
  
  "I asked him if it was rough. He said, 'You don't even know half the things that come out of here.' He said, 'My good friend, a buddy of mine, got shot right in the face in front of me.'"
  
  The rape and killings did not take place in the heat of the battle but were believed to have been planned out as long as a week beforehand, after soldiers spotted the girl while out on patrol.
  
  Caranza's sister Linda Agueros, who is the same age as the victim, has followed the story. "I thought, 'What if it was me?' But for it to happen and for someone I know to be involved, it's a shock."
  
  Sanchez, the Fresno woman who identified herself as Barker's aunt, told The AP he has two children with a woman he is divorcing and a newborn with a girlfriend.
  
  Christy Alcala, 22, said the Barker she knows is far from a violent man.
  
  "He was really such a dork. We seen and heard a lot of bad things in our neighborhood, but he stayed away from all that and hung out with us girls," she said. "We knew people who did bad things, but Bunky I would trust with my life."
  
  When she met him four years ago, he was a go-cart attendant at Boomers in north Fresno. He was part of a group of friends who often had barbecues. She said he was outgoing and fun.
  
  But when he came back for a visit last year, he was different.
  
  "He seemed changed in away. He was really quiet and absorbed in his own head. He didn't want to do much," Alcala said.
  
  "He said it was because he'd seen a lot of things he never would have thought and that they told him before he came back never to talk about them."
  
  In a May message posted to all the friends reminding him of the good times they'd shared, Barker wrote on his MySpace.com account: "I miss you so much, all the fun times, I wish it could still be that easy, but hey, now I get to shoot at people all day."
  
  Bee staff writer Marc Benjamin, McClatchy Newspapers and the Associated Press contributed to this report. The reporter can be reached at [email protected] or (559) 441-6375.
  
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  http://www.fresnobee.com/local/story/12435881p-13157859c.html
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  Soldier Reared JW Is One of Five Accused In Iraqi Rape Scandal

  by West70 in

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  another soldier charged in the case, spc.

  james paul barker, was raised a jehovah's witness and always respected women, said marisol sanchez, 40, of fresno, who identified herself as barker's aunt.

  "he has very good morality," sanchez said.

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  Another soldier charged in the case, Spc. James Paul Barker, was raised a Jehovah's Witness and always respected women, said Marisol Sanchez, 40, of Fresno, who identified herself as Barker's aunt.
  
  "He has very good morality," Sanchez said. "I know he's not the kind of person who's going to do something like this, especially to disrespect a woman. I don't think so. I don't see him that way."
  
  Barker was born and raised in Fresno and was on his second tour of duty in Iraq, Sanchez said. He has a newborn and a girlfriend at home and two young children with a wife he is divorcing.
  
  Reached by phone in Fresno, a woman who identified herself as James Barker's mother said she had not been contacted by the military.
  
  "I really don't have any comment," she said. "I really don't know if it's him or not."
  
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  http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060711/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_rape_case_suspects_1
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  WATCHTOWER "CODE" pedophile uses Magazine

  by DannyHaszard in

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  2. child-abuse

  religious magazine used in evidence-tampering plot

  palm beach post, united states - 4 hours ago .

  ... inmate anthony rotella on thursday on an evidence-tampering charge after he used a code he created from a paragraph in a jehovah's witnesses watchtower ... .

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  West70

  Given that the Pervert and his Sister BOTH have access to the exact same issue of the WatchTower magazine, I'm surprised that noone here has picked up on the fact that these folks are members of a JW family.
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  A wedding UNinvitation... please help me before I flip

  by Fleshybirdfodder in

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  2. friends

  i just got of the phone with my younger brother and i am angered to the point of apoplexy.

  he was planning on going to a wedding of an old close friend of his accompanied by my mom (an active witless still), but happened to check an email address he doesn't use frequently anymore.

  surprise!

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  West70

  "Taking the high road" by FACILITATING AND COOOPERATING IN YOUR OWN SHUNNING is about as "noble" and "intelligent" as a rape victim bending over and handing a jar of vaseline to their rapist.
  
  Just within the past two months, my JW Aunt (and next-door neighbor) submitted to the local Elders' demands that none of the several ex-JWs in our family be permitted to function as pallbearers at my Uncle's funeral (never a JW) as the local Elders' condition in order to get a local Elder to do the funeral.
  
  Well, not only did I boycott the funeral, I boycotted all the preliminaries -- visitations, etc., also.
  
  Less than two weeks after the funeral, my Aunt hollers across the fence, and asks me if I will take on the task of regularly mowing her yard.
  
  Given that two JW Elders live within 300 feet on her, need I type out my reply?
  
  Also, given what we all know about the "loving JW Brethren", need I tell you if the Elders have mowed her yard even once?
  
  
  As far as I'm concerned, JW SHUNNING works both ways, and any JW who SHUNS me better count the cost before they do so.
  
  
  PS: My Uncle had a girl by his first wife, and she and her children were so upset at the JW beliefs attributed to my Uncle in the funeral talk (that her father never believed), that when they got to the gravesite service, they plugged in a cassette of "AMAZING GRACE" (bagpipe version) into their car stereo system and blasted it across the graveyard as the pallbearers carried the casket fom the hearse to the gravesite. I was told that the attending JWs almost crapped their underpants; and the JW Speaker tried to stop the tape, but failed. :) :)
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  A new "saying" that is driving me crazy! "MY BAD." I don't get it!

  by whyizit in

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  2. friends

  i've heard this on a couple of different tv shows and thought at first that it was a slip of the lips.

  but as much as i've been hearing it, it must be a new "cool-thing-to-say".

  does anyone know who, how, when, or why this has become a popular thing to say?.

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  As the person who will read this thread who played MORE basketball in the 1970s and 1980s than any other person here, I can tell you that I recall "MY BAD" going back to the late 1970s, when I played in College.
  
  
  I'm guessing that "MY BAD" was probably picked up from the Pros, since most B-ball slang came from our Pro heros (at least back then).
  
  
  And, yes, white men CAN dunk.