THIS HAS MOST LIKELY ALREADY BEEN POSTED, BUT I DON'T HAVE THE TIME OR WILL TO SORT THROUGH PAST POSTINGS TO VERIFY. GIVEN ALL THE ATTENTION GIVEN TO THE CANADIAN SEXTUPLETS TRAGEDY, IT WON'T HURT ANYTHING IF THIS IS A DUPLICATE POSTING.
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NOW ONLINE - PEDIATRICS AND CHILD HEALTH - DEC 2006 MAG ARTICLE ON BLOOD
by West70 inthis has most likely already been posted, but i don't have the time or will to sort through past postings to verify.
given all the attention given to the canadian sextuplets tragedy, it won't hurt anything if this is a duplicate posting.
at any rate, the december 2006 issue of "pediatrics and child health" magazine contains anarticle entitled, "medical emergencies in childrenof orthodox jehovah's witness families", co-authored by juliet guichon, a medical bioethicist at the university of calgary.
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XJW Christian Comedian On TBN's PTL Program Tonight
by West70 inlamont bonham, a/k/a rev.
lamont sharpton, is a xjw, and he gives a brief testimony at around 11:20 pm et tonight on tbn's praise the lord program.
he appears onstage at around 10:45-55, and later gives his testimony after doing his standup comedy routine.
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Sorry, the 11:00 PM ET PTL program is another live segment, so you will have to either take your chance on an early AM Saturday rerun, or simply click on Friday's 5:00 PM ET PTL segment and watch it on your computer. Again, sorry to anyone waiting for this PTL segment.
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XJW Christian Comedian On TBN's PTL Program Tonight
by West70 inlamont bonham, a/k/a rev.
lamont sharpton, is a xjw, and he gives a brief testimony at around 11:20 pm et tonight on tbn's praise the lord program.
he appears onstage at around 10:45-55, and later gives his testimony after doing his standup comedy routine.
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WEBSITE ABOUT ALOT OF JW LAWSUITS!!
by crazyblondeb ini found a website that is full of lawsuits involving jw's!!
talk about sue-happy people!!.
it's very interesting reading!!.
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I understand that the persistantly online group of JWs absolutely love this new website that provides a new perspective of those folks who make up the "new world society".
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XJW Christian Comedian On TBN's PTL Program Tonight
by West70 inlamont bonham, a/k/a rev.
lamont sharpton, is a xjw, and he gives a brief testimony at around 11:20 pm et tonight on tbn's praise the lord program.
he appears onstage at around 10:45-55, and later gives his testimony after doing his standup comedy routine.
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Lamont Bonham, a/k/a Rev. Lamont Sharpton, is a XJW, and he gives a brief testimony at around 11:20 PM ET tonight on TBN's PRAISE THE LORD program. He appears onstage at around 10:45-55, and later gives his testimony after doing his standup comedy routine.
Bonham nails the WatchTower for its' date predictions -- particularly 1975.
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Insurance news letter from January 2004 re:hiring JW's
by schne_belly ini hope this is ok to post this news article.
its an insurance/news letter that i purchased online.
i am thinking of distributing to local hospital human resource departments to inform them of their need to ask questions when hiring people with religious views that may affect their work.
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While such privacy breaches by Jehovah's Witnesses are not frequent, "it does happen,'' according to Gerald Bergman, a former member of the society who has written extensively on the church's practices. He teaches biology and chemistry at Northwest State Community College in Archbold, Ohio.
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"While such privacy breaches by Jehovah's Witnesses are not frequent, ...".
How does Bergman KNOW that "... privacy breaches by Jehovah's Witnesses are not frequent"?
What verifiable "scientific" evidence did social scientist Bergman have to arrive at such a conclusion?
The very nature of "privacy breaches" yields an inability to quantify such.
Many JW Elders may be stupid, but they don't go around divulging their sources and ratting out their rats.
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Another Case Of Different Rules For JWs In Different Countries????
by West70 indoes this newspaper article indicate that the watchtower society allows (or allowed) jws in india to stand for that country's national anthem????
half a century later, the supreme court made the same point about tolerance when giving a verdict on the refusal of two children belonging to the sect of the jehovah's witness, who refused to sing the national anthem, jana gana mana, in a kerala school because their religion did not permit saluting a national flag or to sing a national anthem as it did not believe in the nation state.
in its verdict, the court said that as long as the children stood respectfully when the anthem was being played, it was all right.
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Does this newspaper article indicate that the WatchTower Society allows (or allowed) JWs in India to stand for that country's National Anthem????
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Half a century later, the Supreme Court made the same point about tolerance when giving a verdict on the refusal of two children belonging to the sect of the Jehovah's Witness, who refused to sing the national anthem, Jana Gana Mana, in a Kerala school because their religion did not permit saluting a national flag or to sing a national anthem as it did not believe in the nation state.
In its verdict, the court said that as long as the children stood respectfully when the anthem was being played, it was all right. 'Our tradition teaches tolerance,' the verdict said, 'our philosophy teaches tolerance, our constitution teaches tolerance.'
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JW Family Survives Father's Death Due To NO Blood Transfusion
by West70 inhere's an excellent article about a third-generation exjw family that survived after losing the father to the blood transfusion prohibition, and then leaving the borg and being shunned by friends and family.
folks should email and thank this reporter and editor for writing and publishing this story.
life's new beginnings .
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Here's an excellent article about a third-generation exJW family that survived after losing the Father to the blood transfusion prohibition, and then leaving the Borg and being shunned by friends and family.
Folks should email and thank this reporter and editor for writing and publishing this story.
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Life's new beginnings
Dennis Webb
Post Independent Staff
September 1, 2006
NEW CASTLE - Nancy Payne and her children look back over the last decade and can count not only their losses, but their gains.
It was 10 years ago today that they endured their biggest loss, the death of husband and father Kurt Payne following burns suffered a month earlier in an accident in Glenwood Springs.
That was followed by other losses, as well. Lost faith in a church whose beliefs led to withholding blood transfusions that Nancy later concluded would have saved Kurt's life. Loss of relationships formed during their time in that church. Lost educational opportunities for children traumatized by their father's death. Lost income from the family provider that left Nancy, previously a stay-at-home mom, to seek work and try to raise her children alone in an expensive valley.
At the same time, the Paynes have found strength they never thought they had, and have become closer as a family. They've gained an appreciation for how much support their community provides even years after tragedy strikes. Today, they also have a new home, the culmination of a dream dating back to when Kurt was still alive.
The Paynes' belief in the good in humanity has helped Nancy to regain some sort of spiritual beliefs as well.
"It's sort of like an awakening, of having new faith in, I don't know what to call it, faith in something greater than yourself or other people," she said.
"There have been things that were like, 'Wow, how did that happen?' Things just fall into place," she said.
Nancy spoke while sitting at the kitchen table of her home in New Castle, while flanked by her two youngest children, Cody, 13, and Jesse, 16. Although the home is new to them, it's old in age and needed major renovations, and the Paynes are storing household goods on the front porch to make room for the work that has been going on inside.
In the living room, though, the family has found room to arrange photos of Kurt with his family. The Paynes still have some of his cremated ashes, too, which Nancy said is the subject of joking from some friends.
"They'll say, 'oh, so Kurt made the move OK, huh?'"
While it's dark humor, it fits with the family's choice over the years not to dwell so much on Kurt's passing, and think more about the fun times they had with him.
"It's like you're half crying and laughing at the same time, remembering all the funny stuff," she said.
Still there in spirit
All joking aside, in a sense Kurt has made the move with his family. His name is still in their phone book listing. Nancy looks at her children's appearances and personalities and sees resemblances to their father.
"I guess it's like we feel like he's still with us in some ways," she said.
Kurt also remains present in fond memories of him - the fun dad whom even the neighborhood kids took to. Jesse remembers once his dad was taking him to school in Carbondale and they were running behind schedule.
"He said, 'You're late anyway,' so we went out to the (Village) Smithy and had some breakfast," Jesse said.
"We bought a bunk bed and we put it together," Cody recalled. "Well, he did. I was pretending to."
Cody was only 3 when his father died, and Nancy wonders how many of his memories of his dad are partly a result of stories he's heard over the years. But one memory he's sure of is putting on yellow hospital scrubs and visiting his dad in the burn unit at University Hospital in Denver before he died, and seeing his skin peel off.
"The nurse would say, 'save some for me,'" Cody reflected of a caretaker's attempts to lighten the situation for him.
"She was just trying to make it so you wouldn't be afraid," Nancy told him as they recently thought back on the events of 10 years ago.
Kurt was all but done with flooring work when the accident happened. The occupation was physically hard and exposed him to toxic chemicals. He had landed a full-time job in security and was finishing a remaining floor project on July 30, 1996, in the King Mall in downtown Glenwood Springs when an explosion occurred. Something apparently sparked fumes from solvents or other chemicals used in his work, and he suffered burns to 70 percent of his body.
"I think the worst part is, actually at the time, I never thought he would die. He was 32 years old, strong as an ox," Nancy said.
She thinks that's one reason she went along with the tenets of her church at the time, the Jehovah's Witnesses, and didn't allow Kurt blood transfusions.
After he died, the autopsy pointed to organ failure due to lack of oxygen, Nancy said.
"He had no blood to carry oxygen in his body. ... I know for a fact that if my husband had had blood transfusions he would be alive today. He would have been scarred, but you know what, that would have been OK with everybody," she said.
University Hospital has a bloodless clinic for patients who want to use alternatives to transfusions. But Payne said a doctor was frustrated in Kurt's case by the church position.
"He knew he could save his life but he felt like he was doing it with his hands tied behind his back," she said.
Nancy, who had been brought up as a Jehovah's Witness, was constantly in the company of church officials in the hospital and now regrets that she didn't go against their wishes and allow a transfusion.
"I constantly live with that burden of what could we have done differently," Nancy said.
But she added, "That's behind us and we can't undo it."
Yet the question lingers not only for Nancy but for her children, who still think about the role of church officials in keeping the hospital from taking actions that might have saved his life.
"If none of them were there, I'm sure after a couple of days of thinking you would have been like, yeah, do it," Jesse told his mom as they revisited their memories surrounding his death.
Church officials, contacted for this story, released a statement (see information box).
Nancy said she tries not to have hard feelings over her husband's death.
"I don't hold any person responsible for what happened, but I just realized that a manmade teaching cost my husband his life. And logic would tell anybody else or me now that if God has given us the capacity to be smart enough to develop the science to take care of people when they're that severely injured, why wouldn't we take advantage of that?"
Life after loss
Losing her husband in such circumstances eroded Nancy's beliefs as a Jehovah's Witness.
"I struggled with how do you have any sense of faith after something like that happens?"
In withdrawing from the church, she said, she lost the support network of a church membership that tends to keep to themselves. For years, even her relationship with her mother, also a Jehovah's Witness, was strained. But Nancy said it later improved when her mom realized she didn't want miss out on spending time with her grandchildren.
After being part of what was an insular group of believers, Payne suddenly was not just widowed but on her own, she said. But in losing one community, she became better acquainted with a greater community of concerned valley residents who have been willing to help.
"All the people I know in the valley now, I missed out on that before. I think they're just great people here, they're always willing to extend a helping hand, and I'm just really thankful that we live here," she said.
Despite the rising costs of living in the valley, Nancy was committed to bringing up her children here. She worked a series of jobs, selling cars and furniture, waitressing, even trying to take over Kurt's flooring business, a move that upset her children and ended when she seriously cut her hand. She has been at Mason & Morse in Carbondale for six years, where she works in marketing. She also has begun driving a school bus to help make ends meet.
Mason & Morse assisted her in her home purchase, including waiving her share of the commission fees. Others in the community have contributed time toward the home's renovation.
"I really wanted this really bad because no matter where my kids ended up living I wanted a place here in the valley where Kurt and I started our family," Nancy said. "I wanted a place where they could come back to."
Growing up without their father has been hard on the Payne children, including in school.
"Going to school and dealing with school was like the last thing I wanted to do" when Kurt died, Jesse said.
Nancy is proud of how her children have coped in the face of struggles in school and other challenges. Colette, 24, and Jeremiah, 20, are now out in the working world. Jesse is no longer in school but has been busy helping in the renovation of the Payne's new home. Cody attends Riverside School in New Castle.
Nancy thinks Kurt would be impressed with the way their children have turned out.
"These kids are really, really bonded. I mean, all families are but I think maybe these guys will have something special for years to come," she said.
Contact Dennis Webb: 945-8515, ext. 516
[email protected]
The church's position
When contacted for an interview about its position on blood transfusions, the Carbondale congregation of the Jehovah's Witnesses released the following written statement:
"Jehovah's Witnesses actively seek medical care when needed, and many work in the health-care field. They accept the vast majority of treatments available today. Christians are commanded in the Bible at Acts 15:19, 20, 28, 29 and Genesis 9:3, 4 to "abstain from blood."
Since the Bible makes no clear statement about minor blood fractions or the immediate reinfusion of a patient's own blood during surgery, a medical process known as blood salvaging, the use of such treatments is a matter of personal choice. Jehovah's Witnesses accept reliable nonblood alternatives, which are increasingly recognized in the medical field."
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Will JWism Help To Improve The Quality Of This JW's Life
by West70 intalking the talk .
a mother begins the difficult talk with her kids .
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Talking the talk
A mother begins the difficult talk with her kids
Story by Anya Litvak
July 28, 2006
It's often said that people are sexual beings from the moment they are born to the moment they die. That's an unsettling thought for Demetria Brown, 28, whose 10-month-old son Jamarrion is still in diapers, and whose eldest Javante, 11, is coming home with love letters. Life has changed for this young mother in the last decade.
A St. Louis transplant, Demetria moved to Columbia when she was 13. By then, most of her friends had lost their virginity, and one girl was pregnant.
"Everyone had sex before me," Demetria recalled. "I knew I shouldn't have it earlier. But then I got me a little boyfriend."
She was 15 at the time, and the couple dated for a year before Demetria made the decision to have sex. Two weeks after her first time, she knew she was pregnant.
Nine months later, she gave birth to Javante and, two years after that, to her daughter, Jaanna, 9. In another two years, Jametrius, 7, was born.
How would she explain teen pregnancy to her kids, Demetria thought. How would she even start the conversation?
In her dark living room on an afternoon in March, Demetria gently rocked her sneezing baby to sleep and reminisced about classroom whispers and first loves. She thought back to when her younger sister accused her of sleeping around before she was sexually active, and how her parents believed the rumors.
"Since my friends were having it, my parents thought I was," she said.
They're fast girls, Demetria's father cautioned. And the conversation ended there.
"But now that I think about it, why didn't they talk to me about (sex)?" she wondered. "Why didn't they supply me with condoms or ask me if I wanted to go on birth control?"
That's what they should have done, she says. But the question now is how Demetria will approach her own children.
Just as Jamarrion's cough quieted to a stuffy snore, the front door exploded with after-school excitement. Javante, Jaanna and Jametrius sliced through the house, book bags flying, and the most popular word in the room became "MOMMMMM."
Jaanna ran into the bathroom and emptied Demetria's box of tampons into the toilet. For months now, her daughter's been fascinated with "women's things," like growing breasts and getting her period. In a way, her mischievous act accomplished its goal to bring Demetria into the bathroom and talk, if only for a second, about what Jaanna had done and what it meant.
Demetria hasn't talked to her children about sex yet, and like many parents, she's not sure what to say. The part about puberty doesn't seem too intimidating. But talking about dating and relationships and, gasp, sex, sounds brutal.
Studies show that parents who talk to their kids about sex early, honestly and often have children who are more likely to postpone sexual activity and use contraception when they decide to have sex.
While parents are often the first to acknowledge the influence of the media and school-yard gossip on children's attitudes about sex, it seems many underestimate their own.
Most tip sheets for parents embarking on "the talk" advise them to use the occasion of a sexual reference in a movie or a euphemism overheard in school to set the record straight.
Even in this hypersexualized culture, the power of parental sway is strong, Kim Webb, a health educator at the MU Student Health Center, assured a group of parents at an April meeting of the Parent-Teacher Association at Lange Middle School. Nine families attended the event, a veritable how-to seminar for parents and teens attempting to reason with a different generation.
"Know what your kids are reading," she said. "What they're watching, what they're doing on the computer."
One mother shared that she allows her son to keep profiles on the popular social networking Web sites, Xanga and MySpace, but knows his password and regularly checks to make sure his activity is safe from virtual predators. Another parent suggested keeping Internet logs to track which Web sites teens access.
Two months earlier, Webb had led a parent focus group at the Boone County Health Department, where 15 adults, including Demetria, vented frustrations with their children's erratic maturation.
"It's almost like they need a support group to talk about this," said Maureen Coy, a social worker with the Columbia/Boone County Health Department who organized the focus group.
As one of the youngest parents present, Demetria said it helped her to hear how others dealt with curfews and dating etiquette. For now, she's set the dating age at 16, but Javante seems anxious to negotiate.
For 10 years, Demetria's word ruled the house. As a single mom with little help from her mother and sisters, Demetria dispensed rules and values as she saw fit. But last year, she married and the dynamics changed. She and her husband, Termaine Pittman, don't always see eye to eye about sex education.
"I want my kids to wait until they're married," Demetria, a Jehovah's Witness, said. "I want them to know about the bad side of all this stuff and what the risks are. I want them to have Bible values."
Like many parents, Demetria wants her children to learn about contraception and make healthy decisions; in her own life, she's had four unplanned pregnancies, one of them while taking birth control pills. But she worries that kids may confuse sex education with encouragement.
Termaine is less insistent on abstinence and teases Javante: "If you listen to your mama, you gonna be a virgin for the rest of your life."
"I was so mad," Demetria later fumed. If it were up to her, the kids would still be using cute nicknames for their body parts and thinking of the opposite sex as gross.
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You can see it in the way Jaanna invents excuses to always be at her side or the way Javante brags that his mom taught him to rap and write poetry, which he now performs in public. You can see it when Jametrius comes home from school and heads straight for his mother, to give her and the baby a little kiss.
With all the awkwardness and uncertainty of a parent going through puberty all over again, Demetria said she will try to be as real and honest with her kids as she can stand.
"I have to teach them," she said. "I'll be disgusted, but I'd rather they come to me, cause I'm their mama."
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Soldier Reared JW Is One of Five Accused In Iraqi Rape Scandal
by West70 inanother soldier charged in the case, spc.
james paul barker, was raised a jehovah's witness and always respected women, said marisol sanchez, 40, of fresno, who identified herself as barker's aunt.
"he has very good morality," sanchez said.
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If you are in fact James Paul Barker's spouse, and if in fact James Paul Barker has no significant ties to the JWs, then I find it extremely interesting that you somehow accidently stumbled across this JW related DB -- not to mention the thread relating to your spouse -- not to mention that you then decided to go to all the trouble of registering so you could post one time just to deny his JWhood.
I think I'll stick with his aunt's statement, plus his mother's decision to not deny his JW status.