i have just watched about half of part 2 of the bbc documentary on the pursuit of paedophiles in the uk.
i couldn't watch all of it because it churned my stomach completely.
i was completely shocked by what i saw and i was horrified by the lack of remorse shown by a paedophile who had been abusing children for 25 years who kept trying to change the subject to a discussion of female circumcision.. the sentences were minimal with 6 years for this particular abuser.
Hello Dungbeetle :o)
I'm afraid that I didn't tape it and I missed part 1 last week.
I remember that Home_and_Dry taped last week's part for a relative, but I don't know about this week's episode.
Does anyone in the UK know if we can get hold of a copy to send to the States?
Here is a link to an outline of the programmes [hope it works!]:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_2027000/2027864.stm
i have just watched about half of part 2 of the bbc documentary on the pursuit of paedophiles in the uk.
i couldn't watch all of it because it churned my stomach completely.
i was completely shocked by what i saw and i was horrified by the lack of remorse shown by a paedophile who had been abusing children for 25 years who kept trying to change the subject to a discussion of female circumcision.. the sentences were minimal with 6 years for this particular abuser.
Hello :o(((((
I have just watched about half of part 2 of the BBC documentary on the pursuit of paedophiles in the UK.
I couldn't watch all of it because it churned my stomach completely.
I was completely shocked by what I saw and I was horrified by the lack of remorse shown by a paedophile who had been abusing children for 25 years who kept trying to change the subject to a discussion of female circumcision.
The sentences were minimal with 6 years for this particular abuser. He will be out in 3 years no doubt. The detectives involved were appalled at the leniency shown by the judges and the *credit* given by them to the abusers for such actions as pleading guilty, attending re-hab etc!
The interview with his niece who had been abused by him from the ages of 4 - 8 years will remain with me forever. Those who are *judging* in these cases should see the suffering, the grief and the psychological destruction that the victims have undergone.
It is immeasurable; it is indescribable; and it is permanent.
{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{to all silent and not so silent lambs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
'Innocence lost can never be regained'
this isn't in any way jw related, but will anyone be watching 'the hunt for britains pedophiles' which starts tonight?
from what i have heard about it, it supposed to be extremly shocking and disturbing, as the bbc got to shadow the scotland yard pedophile unit for two years and this documentary is the end result.
it is supposed to be no holds barred and designed to shock, but in an effort to make more people aware of how huge the issue is here in the uk.
Hello :o)
For those in the UK, part 2 of the BBC documentary on paedophilia is to be shown on 13th June.
this isn't in any way jw related, but will anyone be watching 'the hunt for britains pedophiles' which starts tonight?
from what i have heard about it, it supposed to be extremly shocking and disturbing, as the bbc got to shadow the scotland yard pedophile unit for two years and this documentary is the end result.
it is supposed to be no holds barred and designed to shock, but in an effort to make more people aware of how huge the issue is here in the uk.
Hello :O)
Just missed it - but it sounds like it covered the kinda things from your worst nightmares :o(((
I am not sure how the UK compares with the States or the rest of Europe, but it is very disturbing to remember that in Victorian England, child prostitution was rife. The age of consent was, however, 13! Children were an economic asset at this time - they were sent up the chimnies, down the mines, out in the fields etc. at very early ages.
In the 1880's, 15% of Victorian households in London were regarded as *vicious*!
Unfortunately, paedophilia appears to be a more widespread problem than many people realise. It is often only when confronted with actual cases or when we know someone who has been abused that we come to realise this. It is a subject which has traditionally been *hushed up*, especially when child abuse has occurred within a family. Children have too often, imo, been frightened to speak out for fear of the ramifications.
The *paedophile* cunningly preys on that fear and reluctance on the part of the victim to report, whilst themselves maintaining a credible exterior of being above reproach.
I know of a case in the UK where a known paedophile was housed in a flat directly overlooking a small park which served an area where there were many small children. One little boy alerted his mother to a flashing light from one window overlooking the park and what appeared to be binoculars. The police were called and it was discovered that this person had a room full of photographs of the children in the park, and particularly of this one little boy, together with child pornography. It took a public outcry on the part of the local parents for this person to be moved, but as far as I am aware, he was not charged further nor was he *treated*, but simply moved to another area where he is no doubt continuing his activities!
It is certainly time for Silentlambs everywhere to speak out and expose this crime for what it is and for parents to realise that they do not necessarily *know* their neighbour/relation/ etc etc....
If it is true that those who are abused as children can go on to abuse others, the cycle of abuse must be broken, and the abusers must be shown that society will not tolerate such behaviour.
We must have policies in place to protect the children.
We must have procedures in place to support the victims.
Whether it is possible to re-habilitate the perpetrators seems to be uncertain.
don't know if anyone else is aware of the group www.reachouttrust.org which is a uk based christian group which offers amongst other things, information on cults...?.
their june newsletter contained details of the dateline show and a letter about the issue as treated in one kingdom hall (unsure about the circulation figures for the newsletter).
silentlambs is featured on their homepage.. but word is starting to get out in the uk.....
Hello :o)
Don't know if anyone else is aware of the group www.reachouttrust.org which is a UK based Christian group which offers amongst other things, information on cults...?
Their June newsletter contained details of the Dateline show and a letter about the issue as treated in one Kingdom Hall (unsure about the circulation figures for the newsletter). Silentlambs is featured on their homepage.
But word is starting to get out in the UK.....
1) i am a sister in a congregation of jehovah's witnesses in southern california.. i have a job.
i have a life.
i have a family.
Hello Dungbeetle :o)
Just read your post - hugs to you.
*it took over a decade, 10 letters, a multitude of meetings with run of the mill male persons who dared to judge my 'repentance' and my 'suitability' to be known as one of Jehovah's Witnesses.*
*JUDGE* ? Jaw hits floor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Have they neglected -
Luke 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: - ?
Hmmm!
< http://www.msnbc.com/news/761340.asp?0na=x2101110-.
the boston globe, which obtained a copy of the draft policy scheduled to be released later tuesday by the u.s. conference of catholic bishops, reported that the document also would require that every diocese in the country report all accusations of sexual abuse of minors to secular authorities for investigation.
the globe also reported that the bishops are expected to offer an apology to the victims of abusive priests and for the handling of the cases by bishops.. the plan by the conferences ad hoc committee on sexual abuse will be put to a vote when bishops from around the country meet june 13-15 in dallas.
Hello :o)
Not sure if this has been posted - apologies if it has.
By Peter Cooney
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A Catholic bishops' committee recommended on Tuesday that priests who sexually abuse a minor in the future be defrocked but held open the possibility that a past offender with only one offense could remain in the ministry.
The proposed standards, which come amid a scandal over pedophile priests in the U.S. Roman Catholic Church, would adopt a "zero tolerance" stance toward priests who abuse children from now on. U.S. Catholic bishops will vote on the proposals at a June 13-15 meeting in Dallas.
In what the committee chairman said would be a "hotly debated" item, the committee's draft document said past offenders who were not diagnosed as pedophiles and did not have multiple offenses could be allowed to remain in the ministry, but only after a thorough review in which the victim could participate. The cleric could not be involved in any religious work involving contact with young people.
The committee proposed the defrocking of any priest who had been diagnosed as a pedophile or had committed abuse against a minor more than one once in the past.
"Our foremost goal is to protect children and young people. One essential way to do it is to say clearly, 'If you abuse, you are out of the priesthood,"' said St. Paul and Minneapolis Archbishop Harry Flynn, who chaired the Ad Hoc Committee on Sexual Abuse that drafted the document.
Initial reaction was mixed, with some calling the proposal a good start, but others saying it did not go far enough to in punishing senior clerics who covered up abuse by priests.
Los Angeles Cardinal Roger Mahony, head of the nation's largest Catholic archdiocese, welcomed the draft, but said he would push to apply the zero tolerance policy to any priest who had abused minors in the past.
ZERO TOLERANCE DEBATE
The zero tolerance approach was debated but not accepted in April at an extraordinary meeting of U.S. cardinals in Rome called by the pope to discuss the spreading scandal.
The new document proposes that every U.S. diocese report all accusations of sexual abuse of minors to police, and it apologizes for the behavior of abusers and for the bishops' mishandling of abusive priests -- an indication officials are aware of a deep dissatisfaction with the way the issue has been handled by the church hierarchy.
Flynn told a news conference in Washington he was aware many strongly opposed keeping past offenders in the priesthood, but said there was "a large minority of bishops, expert observers and people in the pew who wanted some flexibility."
"We are deeply sympathetic to feelings of victims/survivors who have experienced years of abuse due to sexual abuse," Flynn said. "But treatment -- and the power of Christian conversion -- has made a difference in some cases."
The "Draft Charter for the Protection of Children and Young People" was crafted over the past months. Starting in January with the case of a single priest in Boston, the pedophilia scandal has spread across the country.
Dozens of U.S. priests have lost their jobs over allegations. Bishops in the United States, Ireland and Poland have resigned because of accusations against them or their handling of allegations against priests.
"The sexual abuse of children and young people by some priests and bishops, and the ways in which these crimes and sins were too often dealt with by bishops, have caused enormous pain, anger and confusion. They have strained the bonds of trust that should unite us," reads the document.
The committee proposed the creation of a national Office for Child and Youth Protection to help dioceses implement its proposals and produce an annual report on their progress.
EROSION OF TRUST
Bernie McDaid, who accuses a Boston priest of abusing him in the late 1960s and early 1970s, welcomed the proposed policy but said it would have been better had the church leadership acted sooner. He said it was "unacceptable" some priests could stay on the job if they had only been accused once.
"These suggestions are long on exquisite hairsplitting about abusers, short on specifics about enforcement, and silent on corrupt church leaders who have reassigned molesters and covered up their crimes," David Clohessy, director of the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests, said in a statement.
But Patrick Schiltz, a Minneapolis law school dean who has defended dioceses and religious denominations in sexual abuse cases, called the draft "a terrific piece of work. It's kind of like a greatest hits compilation of the best policies from dioceses around the country."
Notre Dame University theology professor Father Richard McBrien said the document showed the bishops' deep concern about the erosion of trust and confidence in their leadership because of the scandal.
"They will have to earn them back over a long period of time," McBrien said. "The damage that has already been done to their credibility is, like the abuse of the victims themselves, "devastating and long-lasting."
some of you may remember the post about the un-invitation card which is sent to da/df persons who have previously been invited to a wedding.
the un-invitation card tells them not to turn up!.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=27313&site=3.
Hello Ozzie :o)
Hugs to you and your wife.
Such an un-invitation is beyond my comprehension and outside my experience and I can only begin to imagine the hurt that you both must be feeling.
If it was a child of mine who was graduating, I don't think I would be able to prevent myself from going up to her and giving her a hug.
If your on-screen persona is anything to go by, I know that you will act with great dignity and discretion tomorrow, despite what you may feel inside.
My heart feels for you all in this distressing situation and I pray that there will be a healing of rifts and a resumption of *true* family life for you all.
God bless you Ozzie and Mrs Ozzie.
hello matrix :o).
i posted this in another thread which is so far down the list that you may have missed it.
i would be interested in your response to the following scenario :o) i am not in the us by the way.
Hello Matrix :o)
I posted this in another thread which is so far down the list that you may have missed it. I would be interested in your response to the following scenario :o) I am not in the US by the way. It is the international response in which I am interested.
* May I pose you a couple of questions please Matrix as there are some things which are rather bothering me?
If a *Jehovah's Witness* parent came to the elders to report that their child had alleged that whilst alone with another person, they had been abused by that other person - say a *worldly* person or a person from the Roman Catholic Church (or supply alternative *orthodox* grouping) or a person from one of the *unorthodox* groups or a different faith - a Mormon for example, or a Seventh Day Adventist, or a Muslim (but not a Jehovah's Witness), what advice would be given to the parent?
a Would the parent be *advised* by the elder that a second witness was required to substantiate the child's allegations before any action could be taken by them (i.e. the parent)?
or
b Would the parent be *advised* by the elder(s) to report the matter to the Police?
Just wondering.......
Thanks!
alanf seem to suffer from ego centricity disorder.
people in thisn place have patted him on back too much it went to his head.
he think that cause he can shuffle a few figures and write terrible papers on evolution book that he ok. he needs humble self and quit taking praise from people.
Hello :o)
I was wondering why 3 recent visitors to this board read so much like Dobby and Winky from Rowling's second and fourth novels.....
The similarities in style are very striking. Had anyone else noticed?
