Scholar stated: But because stauros is a synonym with xulon it was definitely a piece of wood or tree that our Lord hung
Acts 16:24 includes the word xulon
The NWT, in common with most Bibles, translates xulon as "stocks" in that verse as follows:
Acts 16:24 Because he got such an order, he threw them into the inner prison and made their feet fast in the STOCKS (xulon).
So following your line of reasoning that stauros and xulon are synonyms, would you say that "STOCKS" is a legitimate translation of both stauros and xulon?
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Cross or a Stake - which was it?
by KAYTEE inwe were always lead to believe, when we belonged to the jws, that jesus died on a "stake".
was this really true or did he die on a cross as all other religions appear to believe.
if it was a cross, what on earth did the jws get out of saying otherwise.
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Cross or a Stake - which was it?
by KAYTEE inwe were always lead to believe, when we belonged to the jws, that jesus died on a "stake".
was this really true or did he die on a cross as all other religions appear to believe.
if it was a cross, what on earth did the jws get out of saying otherwise.
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Dear Scholar
Thank you for your definition of 'impaled':
Scholar "he was impaled also to boot and that word means fastened to pole, plank or stake."
I note that the Insight book appears to agree with you and defines impalement as follows:
"In the literal sense, the fastening of a victim either dead or alive to a stake or pole".
But is this actually the true meaning (or literal sense) of "impale" as defined by the majority of dictionaries?
I am afraid it is not, as a search through any reputable English dictionary will confirm.
The verb impale comes from the Latin (in and palus (stake)) and has 3 meanings:
1 To enclose, as with stakes or pales - to surround (hence stake a claim. Also to provide safety around habitation where bodies/heads of enemies can be 'impaled' - ie transfixed on the pales as a warning)
2 To pierce with a sharp object - a pale, stake, spear, point - in order to kill, torture or render helpless
3 A term used in heraldry - to join two coats of arms on one shield palewise (ie divided by a vertical stripe or pale).
If you search in dictionaries - and there are several online free versions, although the Oxford English Dictionary, generally regarded in academic circles as authoritative, requires a fee - I think you will have difficulty finding support for the organisation's definition of "impalement" as "fastening to". The OED defines impalement as "transfixing" a body (etc) upon/with a stake, especially as capital punishment. And 'transfix' is defined as 'pierce with a sharp implement'.
I consider that it is misleading to suggest that Jesus was 'impaled on a torture stake' as he was not impaled at all, as a 'stauros' was not driven into his body according to the gospels. Jesus was fastened by nails to his implement of execution according to those accounts.
I have followed (above) your suggestion to
1. Find and establish the meaning of the key terms
- ie 'impalement' and I hope that you are able to do the same.
I wonder if this error in terminology arose due to reliance on John Denham Parson's book.
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Cross or a Stake - which was it?
by KAYTEE inwe were always lead to believe, when we belonged to the jws, that jesus died on a "stake".
was this really true or did he die on a cross as all other religions appear to believe.
if it was a cross, what on earth did the jws get out of saying otherwise.
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Dear Scholar
When I was told by the Jehovah's Witnesses that Jesus was 'impaled on a torture stake' and not crucified, I collected information from their periodicals, checking all statements made against the original sources.
I discovered that portions of sentences had been lifted from the original sources by the authors of those periodicals and printed by them in order to 'support' the 'torture stake' theory adopted and advanced by the organisation.
But what perturbed me greatly - and it has been admirably illustrated by Leolaia - was that these quotations were not 'faithful' to the original sources, but were a 'pick'n'mix', reproduced 'unfaithfully' and scattered with ellipses [...], indicating omitted sections, which, I discovered, were not sympathetic to the 'torture stake' theory.
I have asked a number of Jehovah's Witnesses the following questions and I would be very glad if you could shed any light on them as my queries remain unanswered -
Why does the NWT add the word 'torture' to its translation of 'stauros'?
Why does the organisation suggest Jesus was IMPALED (on a 'stauros') when this indicates that the 'stauros' pierced his body?
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OK, So I finally tried some Marmite.
by El Kabong ini was in downtown annapolis today and went into a british/irish store that sells goods imported from the uk.
i saw a bottle of marmite and decided to try it.
i bought the bottle, and when i got home i tried it.
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Some years back a friend introduced me to marmite and peanut butter sandwiches - much better for you than peanut butter and jelly.
The trick is to spread it very thinly - and I mean - very thinly - so that you can see the butter through it still.
The Brits give it to children on buttered bread or toast which is then cut into 'soldiers' for dipping into soft boiled eggs.
Can be used in a roast beef sandwich as a change from horseradish or mustard, or to spice up a plain cheese sandwich.
It contains Vitamins B 1, 2, 3 and 12, and folic acid.
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Dansk is in the hospital --- emails from Claire
by Alleymom indansk (ian) is in the hospital.
as you know, he posted to us on wednesday morning (after the tuesday night vigil) saying that he felt very bad.
claire ended up having to go home from work because he was feeling so weak and having some trouble breathing.. here are her emails.
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{{{{Ian and Claire}}}} Holding you in thought and prayer.
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Special Vigil/Thanksgiving for Dansk--1 year
by under74 inthanks marjorie!
for anyone uncertain about what this thread is about .
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2 hours and 8 minutes to go!
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Special Vigil/Thanksgiving for Dansk--1 year
by under74 inthanks marjorie!
for anyone uncertain about what this thread is about .
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{{{Ian and Claire}}} and BTTT
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Need help on blood issue...
by toladest in.
some things going on that i don't want to mention on the open board, but i need help with the blood issue.
any help would be much appriciated.
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ChristianObserver
There is a lot of very good information at www.ajwrb.org
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Things are more serious for Ozzie..................
by BLISSISIGNORANCE in.....................i received an sms from mrs ozzie last night informing me that ozzie is having an extremely risky operation on wednesday morning, 8am australian time.
i can't give more details at this stage as to the procedure due to confidentiality but i can assure you it is going to be dangerous!
mrs ozzie said that it had to be done despite the risk.. so if all of us here could take a moment tomorrow and send positive thoughts.
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{{{Ozzie and Mrs Ozzie}}}
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Mrs Ozzie asked me to inform you all that........................
by BLISSISIGNORANCE in....................our great mate ozzie is sick in hospital.
he isn't able to post so i am the go-between for the moment.. if you want more details or contact information pm me and i will make sure it's ok with the ozzies to forward those details to you.. ozzie is a tough dude and having known him for many years i am confident he will be back on board before too long!.
please be patient with me as i work and can only check my pms in the evenings.
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Sorry to hear that. Wishing you a speedy recovery and hoping you'll soon be back 'on board'!