i've noted active, devoted jw's state the above.. and, it's not a problem for me to remain trusting of god, i just don't trust religions or men.. recently, a member of this forum stated that he remains an active jw, in the family of god's people, wanting to encourage and do good - whilst recognising that the pastoral leaders (the gb) have shipwrecked the faith of many, being unsound scripturally etc, etc.. stop and think about this - the bible says to not follow after those who lie and hurt the faith of "little ones".. the pharisees were accused of traversing over lands and expending much energy to make a single convert - only for that convert to end up worse of than he started off with.. it's one thing to not believe this is the 'truth' and feeling the awful pressure of managing ones life, trying not to lose ones family.. it's quite another thing to declare oneself to be a christian believer of god's jw household, and somehow believe the god of love would use corrupt liars to parade as jesus' brothers in the urgency of last days.
really?
and, to then visibly promote faith in corrupt men, and try to bring converts into a place where the rulership is wrong.. some of us are dying from hurt here.......give me a break..
I have heard this rubbish years ago as well. If someone slighted us - oh well don't worry the big J will sort him out eventually. There have been some incredible posts on this topic and yes everyone is imperfect but I liked Billy's post. You said it perfectly!
I guess it comes down to - if you can actually believe a fairy tale like the bible doesn't it?
when my niece was very little (over 20 years ago), barely walking or talking, my mother decided to teach her "where jehovah lives".
she would coach her and say, "where does jehovah live?
" in a sing-song voice.
i think most on here will be familiar with the caller hook up system that many congregations use.
visit about 2 months ago.
during our servant and elders meeting he was talking up the importance of meeting attendance and how we "gods spirit appointed men" must take the lead on making every meeting.
Yep that is a WOW factor. Seriously, what is the point of denying any member a link like that? My beef was always that the borg spends far too much time, effort and resource on trying to convert instead of actually caring about the sheeple they already have. The elderlies are like folk that wanted to be a cop but made security instead - you know just so they could wear the jacket and make rules.
I guess I have been out far too long (yay) and have never heard of a listen in version of the church. Shame.
i've just signed up two days ago, but i've been lurking for about a year and a half.
here's my story if you're interested:.
my parents converted when they were in their first semester of college.
Great post Miss. Totally got what you were saying about being naïve about how the real world works when you step out into it properly but it really isn't as scary as we were led to believe.
By the by, don't buy into labels like apostate! That is the dubs way of excusing how they treat good people that have a thinking brain.
Take care friend and enjoy your Freedom. Awesome news. Cheers
so by now most of us have heard about (or watched) the april broadcast and the ridiculous "experience" of the guy that asked god to fix his construction leak before he believed in him..... so, what would you like to "pray that god fixes" in your life??.
humorous or serious replies welcome!
(although sarcastic, cynical and funny replies preferred hehe).
the "special talk" this year was about family happiness.
as always seems to be the case it was a bait and switch job since the talk had actually nothing to do with how to achive family happiness and everything to do with jw doctrine on why familys are unhappy.
mine is unhappy because of jw doctrine but thats the implied irony in attending the sunday indoctrination i suppose.. that said, the speaker trotted out the oft used jw illistration of a dented bread pan to describe why and how sin was passed from one human (adam) to another (all of us).
The whole concept of "inherited sin" makes no sense!
Why would a loving "god" happily allow future UNBORN generations to suffer for something that was OUT OF THEIR CONTROL?
- Totally with this train of thought. If you really had to think about this too hard you just give up on the whole idea of redemption in my book. It just does not make sense. It's a fairy tale to keep the masses subdued.
a few people from my jw past recently friended me on facebook and i accepted.
it was all good and we sent a few catching-up messages back and forth.
then i started seeing their newsfeed posts and it was just a bunch of memorial invite spam and nature photos with smug comments on how the chosen ones had paradise to look forward to.
Love it Phizzy !!
Unfortunately that smugness has an effect and for years I came across arrogant but may not have realised, well sometimes I did but that was probably on purpose ha, but I'm just referring to the in built smugness/arrogance that is inculcated from childhood.
When your dumb-dumbed like that for so long into believing you are the only right or true people on the entire planet ( yes that sounds crazy ) I think you intuitively become smug and that is oh so sad and destructive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=7mars2mtaui.
to funny nice job....
Hey Crazyguy. This has been a crazy post/thread. Interestingly I have moved on from my original position, yes I thought it was funny and to take the mickey on this borg was ok but after reading the numerous comments I can see there are much more healthier options.
Hey sorry Ninja I just can't agree with your comments - there just not fun anymore and your just not presenting an effective argument. I'm sure on other topics you will. Cheers
i've been lurking for about 3 months now and thought i'd better finally sign up.
you have all been an immense help to me as i have come to realize that this isn't the truth so i want to say a great big thank you!
what a crazy, emotional ride it is to finally face the truth about the doubts that i have carried for many years.
Stumpy, you bought tears to my eyes when reading your last post. Wow, its life changing for you and your wife but please don't feel guilty though but I understand the very strong emotions involved and it literally took me years to reconcile my thoughts. I still have a spiritual belief though not focused on a religion per say ( more universal energy for me ) and you will work through this. Like I said my thoughts are with you over the coming months. Don't be embarrassed or awkward, I'm sure you will come up with plausible reason if you do step down, shoot sorry - don't mean to know about your world but you will figure it and you and your wife sound strong enough to sort it.
Thanks for the link, yep that sort of prayer answering is a fantasy but the gullible will eat it up. take care friend. Cheers
i've been lurking for about 3 months now and thought i'd better finally sign up.
you have all been an immense help to me as i have come to realize that this isn't the truth so i want to say a great big thank you!
what a crazy, emotional ride it is to finally face the truth about the doubts that i have carried for many years.
Welcome Stumpy! Yes that was a great post. I wish the rest of my family would see the 'light' but they remain fixed.
Silly but unlike you they don't seem to question anything.
I just checked my status and realised I only joined 11 days ago. Wow, it feels like a lot longer because of a new found freedom of mind and a release of a lot of emotion I did not realise I was carrying.
I have not set foot in KH for 18 years, have not believed either but I guess reading stories about peoples lives has added peace.
Really wish you and your wife well in the coming months. Cheers and well done friend.
