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Do You Think Witnesses Deal With Death Properly?

by minimus in

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jws aren't supposed to breakdown in their emotions for it could be a sign that you put too much emphasis on the temporary.

just focus on the ressurection, for heaven' sake!

don't mourn like the world that does not have hope!

Beep,Beep

Maybe you should define properly in the context of death.

Do you believe Witnesses don't grieve when a loved one dies?

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Advice is to Beat the kids......still!

by Gill in

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this is the watchtower for april 1, 2006, page 9.. 'parents be a fine example for your children.'.

'....of course, children are children, and some are prone to be contrary, even wayward.

(genesis 8:21) what can parents do?

Beep,Beep

Here's on from the April 1st 1979 mag, also from the CD.

"Our Children—A Heritage from Jehovah

“GET out of my sight! Leave! Don’t come back!” After shouting these words, a father threw his 16-year-old son
out of the house.

The teen-ager is one of a group of children that has drawn much publicity in recent years. “Called trashed kids,
pushouts, homeless youth, throwouts and throwaways—they have been rejected by their families and told to ‘get
out,’ often with no money and only the clothes they are wearing,” notes an article in Parade magazine. The article
further stated: “Some parents who throw away their kids never want to see or hear from them again.”

Obviously many adults today take a dim view of children. Has this attitude influenced your thinking? Whether you
answer Yes or No, you will find it beneficial to consider the viewpoint that the Bible urges parents to take
toward their children.

Under inspiration of God, the psalmist wrote of children who are born in honorable wedlock: “Look! Sons are an
inheritance from Jehovah; the fruitage of the belly is a reward.” (Ps. 127:3) According to the Hebrew lexicon
by William Gesenius, the word “inheritance” in this instance means: “A possession granted by Jehovah, gift of
Jehovah.” When people receive a valuable gift, they usually treasure it. If the gift requires maintenance and
upkeep, they give it the best.

Do you treat your children as if they were a heritage from the Creator, Jehovah? The Scriptures state: “The
children ought not to lay up for their parents, but the parents for their children.” (2 Cor. 12:14) “Certainly
if anyone does not provide for those who are his own, and especially for those who are members of his household,
he has disowned the faith and is worse than a person without faith.” (1 Tim. 5:8) God desires that parents
“lay up” provisions for their children both material and spiritual. How can that be done successfully?

Since all parents and children have their own personalities, it is impossible to present minute rules for child
rearing that will succeed with every child in every family. However, let us consider certain basic guidelines
that have always proved to be beneficial.

COMMUNICATION

One counselor at a residence for cast-off children points out how the staff at that institution tries to help
them: “We listen to the young person. We tune into the crisis and find out how he or she is feeling.” This is
known as “communication,” and it begins by listening. Your family, too, may benefit by communication.

Do you have good communication with your children on a regular basis? We do not mean empty chitchat or “forced”
conversation about the weather or some other superficial matter. Truly effective communication must be ‘heart
to heart.’ It must stem from genuine love and affection between parent and child. Since ‘out of the heart’s
abundance the mouth speaks,’ paying attention to what your child says will keep you attune to his emotional
and spiritual needs.—Luke 6:45.

Cultivating good communication with children requires much patience and hard work. To succeed at this, parents
must follow the Scriptural counsel to do “nothing out of contentiousness or out of egotism.” They must ‘keep
an eye, not in personal interest upon just their own matters, but also in personal interest upon those of the
others,’ especially their children. (Phil. 2:3, 4) Due to inheriting sin, all humans tend to be more interested
in themselves than in others. Parents must fight against this tendency and cultivate interest in things that
their children find appealing.

“DISCIPLINE AND MENTAL-REGULATING”

An important evidence of parental love is described at Proverbs 13:24: “The one holding back his rod is hating
his son, but the one loving him is he that does look for him with discipline.” A similar Scriptural guideline
states: “The rod and reproof are what give wisdom; but a boy let on the loose will be causing his mother shame.”
—Prov. 29:15.

The discipline mentioned here does not mean simply physical punishment, though that is necessary on occasion.
Children must know not only what to do and from what to refrain, but also why certain things are right or wrong.
In other words, effective discipline of children calls for corrective counsel that children will accept as being
right.

This need can be met by heeding the further Scriptural command: “You, fathers, do not be irritating your children,
but go on bringing them up in the discipline and mental-regulating of Jehovah.” (Eph. 6:4) Children must learn the
way man’s Creator thinks, the things that God likes and dislikes. In order to provide such mental-regulating,
parents themselves must be well acquainted with the Bible.

Instructive in this connection is the following declaration by Moses to parents in ancient Israel: “These words
that I am commanding you today must prove to be on your heart; and you must inculcate them in your son and speak
of them when you sit in your house and when you walk on the road and when you lie down and when you get up. And
you must tie them as a sign upon your hand, and they must serve as a frontlet band between your eyes; and you
must write them upon the doorposts of your house and on your gates.” (Deut. 6:6-9) In regard to these verses,
the Bible commentary by Keil and Delitzsch states:

“For the love of God to be of the right kind, the commandments of God must be laid to heart, and be the constant
subject of thought and conversation. ‘Upon thine heart:’ i.e. the commandments of God were to be an affair of
the heart, and not merely of the memory . . . [Compare Deuteronomy 11:18]. They were to be enforced upon the
children, talked of at home and by the way, in the evening on lying down and in the morning on rising up, i.e.
everywhere and at all times; they were to be bound upon the hand for a sign, and worn as bands (frontlets) between
the eyes. . . . these words are figurative, and denote an undeviating observance of the divine commands.”

Treating your children as a heritage from Jehovah requires regular communication with them, as well as teaching
them by continual repetition (‘inculcating’) the thinking of God as recorded in the Holy Scriptures. Do you feel
that you could use some assistance in providing such Bible-based “discipline and mental-regulating”? If so, we
encourage your thoughtful attention to the Scriptural principles and real-life experiences set forth in the
following articles."

I find the following paragraph, taken from the above article very interesting.

"The discipline mentioned here does not mean simply physical punishment, though that is necessary on occasion.
Children must know not only what to do and from what to refrain, but also why certain things are right or wrong.
In other words, effective discipline of children calls for corrective counsel that children will accept as being
right."

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Advice is to Beat the kids......still!

by Gill in

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friends

this is the watchtower for april 1, 2006, page 9.. 'parents be a fine example for your children.'.

'....of course, children are children, and some are prone to be contrary, even wayward.

(genesis 8:21) what can parents do?

Beep,Beep

""You're a fucking nimrod and a moron""

"'Show me ONE MAGAZINE dedicated to parenting techniques where the "Rod of Discipline" isn't mentioned, and I'll mail you a crisp $100 bill""

Here's on for you. Taken from the 2004 Watchtower library CD.

"Can the Bible Help You Train Your Children?

THE orchid is a very attractive flower, but it is difficult to raise. To do so successfully, you need to control
the temperature, the light, and the size of the flowerpot. The orchid is sensitive to soil and fertilizer and is
easily damaged by disease and insects. Thus, it is very common to fail at one’s first attempt at raising an orchid.

Rearing children is far more difficult and complicated, and it also requires careful attention. So it is common for
parents to feel at a loss when it comes to child rearing. Many feel the need for help, like an orchid grower who
needs advice from an expert. Obviously, every parent wants to get the best guidance. Where can such guidance be
found?

While the Bible is not a manual on child rearing, the Creator inspired the writers to include in it much practical
advice on the subject. The Bible emphasizes the nurturing of desirable qualities, which many feel is often
overlooked. (Ephesians 4:22-24) In this respect, Scriptural counsel supplies a key element of a balanced education.
Such counsel has already benefited thousands who have applied it, regardless of the era in which they lived or their cultural background. Hence, following Scriptural counsel can help you to be successful in training your children.

Parents’ Example—The Best Education

“Do you, however, the one teaching someone else, not teach yourself? You, the one preaching ‘Do not steal,’ do you
steal? You, the one saying ‘Do not commit adultery,’ do you commit adultery?”—Romans 2:21, 22.

A chairman of the Seoul Board of Education said: “Example in word and deed is the best child education.” If parents
do not set a good example in speech and conduct and give their child specific instruction, the child will quickly
assume they are hypocritical. The parents’ words will lose their effect. For instance, if parents want to teach
their child honesty, they themselves must be honest. It is very common for some parents, when they do not want to
receive a telephone call, to have their child say, “Sorry, my dad (or mom) is not here.” The child who is given such direction will be embarrassed and confused. In time, he may begin to lie without feeling guilty if he is in a difficult situation.
Therefore, if parents sincerely want their child to be an honest person, they themselves must speak honestly and
act accordingly.

Do you want to train your child to speak well? Then you have to set a good example. Your child will be quick to
imitate you. Sung-sik, a father of four, says: “My wife and I decided not to use crude language. We showed respect
for each other and did not raise our voices even when we were upset or angry. A good example was far more effective
than mere words. We are pleased that our children are respectful and polite when they talk with others.” The Bible
says at Galatians 6:7: “Whatever a man is sowing, this he will also reap.” Parents who want their children to have
high moral standards must first show that they themselves are living according to such standards.

Keep the Lines of Communication Open

“You must inculcate [God’s commandments] in your son and speak of them when you sit in your house and when you walk
on the road and when you lie down and when you get up.”—Deuteronomy 6:7.

The trend to work overtime is on the increase. When both husband and wife have jobs, it has a serious impact. The
time that many parents spend with their children is diminishing. While at home, parents have to do housework and
other chores, so they may well be tired or exhausted. Under such circumstances, how can you maintain good
communication with your children? Opportunities for conversation may arise if you and your children do the household
chores together. One family head even got rid of the TV, primarily to have more time for conversation with his
children. He observed: “At first the children were bored, but as I played puzzle games with them and discussed
interesting books, they came to accept the change.”

It is important that children early on become accustomed to communicating with their parents. Otherwise, when the
children are adolescents and perhaps face problems, they will not think of their parents as friends whom they can
talk to. How can you help them to open their hearts? Proverbs 20:5 says: “Counsel in the heart of a man is as deep
waters, but the man of discernment is one that will draw it up.” By using viewpoint questions, such as “What do you
think?” parents can encourage their children to express their thoughts and feelings.

What will you do if your child makes a serious mistake? That is the time when he needs kind consideration. Control
your emotions while you listen to your child. A father says this about his way of dealing with such a situation:
“When the children make mistakes, I try not to overreact. I sit down and listen to what they have to say. I try to
grasp the situation. When I find it difficult to control my spirit, I wait a while and calm down.” If you control
your emotions and listen, the correction you give will more readily be accepted.

Discipline Based on Love Is Essential

“You, fathers, do not be irritating your children, but go on bringing them up in the discipline and mental-regulating
of Jehovah.”—Ephesians 6:4.

To get good results, your manner of giving loving discipline is important. How is it that parents can ‘irritate their
children’? If the discipline does not fit the seriousness of the mistake or if it is given in a highly critical way,
children will resist. Discipline should in all cases be given with love. (Proverbs 13:24) If you reason with your
children, they will realize that you discipline them out of love.—Proverbs 22:15; 29:19.

On the other hand, it is good for children to feel the undesirable consequences of wrong behavior. For instance, if
the child wrongs another person, you can insist that he apologize. When he breaks family rules, you may place restrictions on certain privileges in order to emphasize the importance of keeping rules.

It is good to administer discipline at the right time. Ecclesiastes 8:11 points out: “Because sentence against a bad
work has not been executed speedily, that is why the heart of the sons of men has become fully set in them to do bad.
” Similarly, many children will test whether they can escape without punishment after misbehaving. So once you have
warned that punishment will follow a specific wrongdoing, be sure to follow through.

Wholesome Recreation Has Value

“There is . . . a time to laugh . . . and a time to skip about.”—Ecclesiastes 3:1, 4.

Leisure time and wholesome, balanced recreation are necessary for the mind and body of a child to develop. When
parents enjoy recreation with their children, family ties are strengthened and the children gain a sense of security.
What types of recreation can members of a family enjoy together? If you take the time to think about it, you can
find many pleasant things to do. There are outdoor sports, such as bicycle riding, and ball games, such as tennis,
badminton, and volleyball. And imagine the joyful times that can be had when the family plays musical instruments
together. Fine memories can be the result of traveling to nearby places to enjoy nature.

In such situations, parents can instill in their children a balanced view of recreation. A Christian man who has
three sons said: “I share in my children’s recreation if possible. For instance, when they play computer games,
I ask about them. When they enthusiastically explain them, I use the opportunity to talk about the danger of
unwholesome entertainment. I have noticed that they turn down inappropriate entertainment.” Yes, children who are
happy with family recreation are less inclined to resort to television programs, videos, movies, and Internet games
that feature violence, immorality, and drug abuse.

Help Your Children Make Good Friends

“He that is walking with wise persons will become wise, but he that is having dealings with the stupid ones will
fare badly.”—Proverbs 13:20.

A Christian father who successfully brought up four children said: “The importance of their choice of friends cannot
be overemphasized. One bad friend can destroy all the work you’ve done.” To help his children make good friends, he
wisely asked such questions as: Who is your closest friend? Why do you like him? What about him do you want to
imitate? Another parent arranges for his children to invite close friends home. He can then observe them and give
his children appropriate guidance.

It is also important to teach children that they can make friends with older people as well as with peers. Bum-sun,
a father of three sons, says: “I help my children to appreciate that friends don’t have to be peers, as in the case
of David and Jonathan in the Bible. Actually, I invite Christians of various age groups to enjoy association with my
children. As a result, the children associate with many people who are not their peers.” Association with exemplary
seniors gives the children the advantage of learning many things.

You Can Succeed in Child Training

According to one survey conducted in the United States, many parents who tried to instill such qualities as self-
control, self-discipline, and honesty in their children had relatively little success. Why is that so difficult? A
mother who answered the survey said: ‘The sad thing is that the only way to protect our children is to lock them up
in a room and never let them go out in the world.’ She had in mind that the environment children now grow up in is
worse than ever before. In this situation, is it really possible to bring up children successfully?

If you wanted to raise an orchid but were concerned that it might wither, you might be discouraged. If an authority
on orchid cultivation came along and gave you some good ideas and confidently said, “You will succeed if you do it
this way,” how relieved you would be! Jehovah, the Supreme Authority on human nature, provides advice on the best
method of bringing up children. He says: “Train up a boy according to the way for him; even when he grows old he
will not turn aside from it.” (Proverbs 22:6) When you train children according to the Bible’s counsel, you will
likely have the joy of seeing your children grow up to be responsible adults, considerate of others, having a sense
of morality. Then they will be loved by men but most of all by Jehovah, our heavenly Father."

You can keep your money. Maybe you can use it for anger management therapy. The problem is how you view the word "discipline" . If you think it ONLY means physical punishment then you are misusing discipline.

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Advice is to Beat the kids......still!

by Gill in

jw
friends

this is the watchtower for april 1, 2006, page 9.. 'parents be a fine example for your children.'.

'....of course, children are children, and some are prone to be contrary, even wayward.

(genesis 8:21) what can parents do?

Beep,Beep

""I think you wish I'd shut up and turn away like a good little mousey and stop telling my story""

I could turn around and say I think you wish I would shut up and go away because my story is so different from your's.

Don't flatter yourself, I really don't care that much one way or the other.

""It was reiterrated to me through what I heard from the pulpit and in writing that it was my parents right--nay THEIR DUTY to punish me thus for my various infractions.""

Funny, the talks and articles I remember talked about DISCIPINE and the need to discipline our children. Discipline, train, teach, and on occasion, when needed, a swat on the behind. I have been going the library and have yet to come across anything that condones, let alone encourages or demands spankings as discipline.

Looking back now, I know I NEEDED each and every spanking I got. I deserved them and have gone as far to tell my parents so.

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New NFL TEAM?

by skyman in

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on the radio today in the north west they are talking about a new poll taken after the supper bowl game, this poll was taken in every state and the conclusion of the poll was that 96% of the people in the us thought the officials determined the outcome game by bad officiating that went against the seahawks favoring the stealers.

Beep,Beep

Good teams can rise above bad officiating, those that can't lose!

Let's face it, the Seahawk team that showed up at the SB did not play like the team that beat Washington and Carolina. And to be honest the Steelers didn't look like the team that had beat Indy and Denver at home.

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Advice is to Beat the kids......still!

by Gill in

jw
friends

this is the watchtower for april 1, 2006, page 9.. 'parents be a fine example for your children.'.

'....of course, children are children, and some are prone to be contrary, even wayward.

(genesis 8:21) what can parents do?

Beep,Beep

""Again, I stand by my story and will not have it fluffed away as "all my parent's fault"""

That's fine. I am merely presenting what my personal observations are. I was not beaten, my brothers and sisters were not beaten. I do not remember any "beatings" occurring at the Kingdom Hall.

Society as a whole has a different attitude to physical punishment today than it did 40+ years ago. Teachers were permitted to spank students in school then, now they can go to jail.

"" This was witnessed and condoned by the other Jehovah's Witnesses in the car group as they happily continued to preach at the next door.""

Then shame on them. Just because some did and still do condone such actions by others does not mean it's condoned by all. As an aside however, if they were at door preaching, how did they "witness and condone" this action?

I think one of my father's finest moments was at a District convention, when he told a "brother" that he would take the belt he was using to beat on a young boy away from him and start hitting him with it. The time period was early 70's. He was even an Elder at the time.

Sorry for the way you were treated. It was wrong and shame on your parents and those with them for allowing and condoning such unbiblical punshiment.

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Advice is to Beat the kids......still!

by Gill in

jw
friends

this is the watchtower for april 1, 2006, page 9.. 'parents be a fine example for your children.'.

'....of course, children are children, and some are prone to be contrary, even wayward.

(genesis 8:21) what can parents do?

Beep,Beep

""I'm afraid the WTBTS is still into child beating""

Sorry but that's not my experience. Witnesses DO NOT condone beating children. Why is it that bad parenting skills are automatically blamed on this allegedly "All Powerful W.B.&T.S?"

I was a child that acted up. We have a daughter that acted up. My parents did not beat me, we did not be our child. Sorry but shame on your parents, they were the ones who are at fault. Why can't you see it for yourselves? Why try to place the blame where it does not belong?

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