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  A reminder for waiting

  by Seven in

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  dear waiting, if you submit 5 posts per day starting tomorrow, you will reach the milestone 1,000th post on september 25. this is just like waiting for mark mcgwire to break the homerun record.

  i don't believe that your record will be tainted by the rumored use of the controversial supplement androstenedione-enabling one to post long after normal bedtime hours.. seven sosa

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  circare

  Simon! Simon! Yooohhoooo Simon!

  Is waiting allowed to claim the label of PMS with 'crummy' posts like this?
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  Most disgusting thing from Watchtower Corp.

  by spectromize in

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  2. friends

  one thing that really doesn't add up with the organization and their registrating to be a corp.(yes i have to put this in quote sorry it's called non-profit corp.) is the very fact that they play in the worldly system of things while they tell you to keep out of it.

  (while they see nothing wrong in themselves playing the stock market with other peoples money) think about it where did jesus say to register god's organization as a corporation?.

  furthermore if you were living in jesus' period of time who would be the president-vice-president-secratary- treasurer-shareholders...?.

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  circare

  Hi all. I haven't had much of a chance to 'drop by' over the last couple of days, so I have sort of lost the thread of what we were discussing, but ploughing on….

  7 interesting comment from your friend regarding the pressure brought to bear on the CC due to decrease in funds. Not sure if this would have the same effect on the JWs tho'. The older faithful ones have been used to 'doing things on a shoestring' in the past here in Australia. I think they would probably just 'bite the bullet' and go back to doing things the hard way again. May be it might have a dampening effect on the younger ones? The few other branch offices I am familiar with would, I think, all react the same way. I can't really speak about the bros. reactions at Brooklyn or Patterson. Perhaps a significant drop in meeting attendance and field service would have more impact?

  Zep glad to hear your conclusion, I thought for a minute you were telling me there were major flaws in the local footy club.
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  God and religion etc..............................

  by Zep in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the communist world, it may be noted, has one big myth (which we call an illusion, in the vain hope that our superior judgment will make it disappear) it is the time hallowed archetypal dream of a golden age (or paradise), where everything is provided in abundance for everyone, and a great, just, and wise chief rules over a human kindergarten.

  this powerful archetype in its infantile form has gripped them, but it will never disappear from the world at the mere sight of our superior points of view.

  we even support it by our own childishness, for our western civilisation is in the grip of the same mythology.

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  Thanks Zep for posting this topic. It is something I also have been thinking about for some time.

  Frenchy I don't think a belief in God can be something that is chosen on a whim either. There would have to be some basis - what could be a basis for this faith in your opinion?

  I would like to believe there is more reason for faith in God than the positive psychological benefits.
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  Most disgusting thing from Watchtower Corp.

  by spectromize in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  one thing that really doesn't add up with the organization and their registrating to be a corp.(yes i have to put this in quote sorry it's called non-profit corp.) is the very fact that they play in the worldly system of things while they tell you to keep out of it.

  (while they see nothing wrong in themselves playing the stock market with other peoples money) think about it where did jesus say to register god's organization as a corporation?.

  furthermore if you were living in jesus' period of time who would be the president-vice-president-secratary- treasurer-shareholders...?.

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  circare

  Hi again Red, Zep,Waiting,

  I understand that my comments and questions may seem to be putting me at odds with you all. That is not my intention. I would just like to sort out the reality from the emotionalism. Not that there is anything wrong with emotions but it does not give one much to use when discussing this with others.

  Red I have been doing a little re-reading and I can't find the articles you were referring to about the Catholic Church and its' business dealings? Could you perhaps let me know which ones they were?

  Also I was curious as to what you meant when you said

  The WTS held itself up as an example of true Christianity....using all money to further the preaching work. Everyone is a volunteer, noone gets paid, EVERY CENT is used to further the preaching work. Finding out that this rhetoric was all lies is the thing that bothers me.

  
  I am not sure what point you are making here. Don't they use the funds for the preaching work?

  Hi Zep,
  I was wondering what other organisations you have belonged to?
  Would there be some that would not fit the Orwellian Nightmare?

  Waiting the nuns and priests I have had contact with have not lived 'high on the hog' in my opinion either. (About the same as the bro and sisters in the respective Bethel homes.) There are exceptions of course depending on which order they belong to, as you would know some have vows of poverty etc and they live very ascetically.

  I think there are a lot of Catholics that follow their Pope and their religion very seriously - to the point of crawling on their hands and knees long distances to do penance, or pilgrimage to a particular holy statue, site or relic. Being a former Catholic you would also be aware that for the thousands that disregard the words and directives of their Pope there are as many again who bind their lives by them.

  Edited by - circare on 4 September 2000 10:0:7
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  Registration deadlines

  by Seven in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  to high school juniors and seniors, pay attention.

  to the registration deadlines for you sat and act's.

  the first sat will be given on oct. 14, 2000. deadine is sept. 12th.

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  Hi 7, thanks for the fill in. Interesting to see the similarities.

  Also an interesting quote. There's has been a lot of truth in that statement in times past. Must say tho' - "She doesn't have what it takes." - does not fit my picture of you.

  7, Path & Waiting,
  Hope you all enjoyed your weekend. We had a very warm and pleasant spring day here for our Sunday.
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  Most disgusting thing from Watchtower Corp.

  by spectromize in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  one thing that really doesn't add up with the organization and their registrating to be a corp.(yes i have to put this in quote sorry it's called non-profit corp.) is the very fact that they play in the worldly system of things while they tell you to keep out of it.

  (while they see nothing wrong in themselves playing the stock market with other peoples money) think about it where did jesus say to register god's organization as a corporation?.

  furthermore if you were living in jesus' period of time who would be the president-vice-president-secratary- treasurer-shareholders...?.

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  circare

  Sorry Red and RF didn't mean to ignore your posts. In my 'speed read' I missed your comments on the bottom of the previous page.

  I agree, the FDS claims to be the channel of spiritual feeding from Jehovah.

  If you consider yourself a member of the WTBTS and business details have not been revealed or vital information withheld then I can understand you would be upset.

  I am wondering when would you consider the funds not being used for the preaching work? What area of costs do you consider not to be involved with the printing costs?
  
  Would anyone here have ever been involved in any voluntary community organisation or charity? All by law here are required to have presidents, secretaries and treasurers. They all have to manage whatever funds have been donated or raised by fund-raising activities. Even the tiny poor ones, who only operate on a few thousand a year, will take a portion of their funds and invest them in an interest bearing term deposit of some kind for the paltry interest. It would be making poor use of the money otherwise wouldn't it? I would consider it irresponsible for an organisation to not manage, as best it can any surplus funds it has from time to time wouldn't you?

  I am sorry for the pain and hurt we are all experiencing in varying degrees. A sense of betrayal is not easy to get over. I did not intend to invalidate anyone's experiences or means of expressing their feelings. I just wanted to express mine too.
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  Registration deadlines

  by Seven in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  to high school juniors and seniors, pay attention.

  to the registration deadlines for you sat and act's.

  the first sat will be given on oct. 14, 2000. deadine is sept. 12th.

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  circare

  Hey 7, thanks for the info. It is pretty much the same way here. Our Junior High is grades 7-10, Senior High is years 11 and 12.

  So the SAT and ACT's are not compulsory?

  Here we have the School Certificate (SC) at end of Grade 10 and the Higher School Certificate (HSC) at end of grade 12. These are compulsory. The SC helps if you want to go to a college or TAFE (technical college) for a trade or workforce skill etc. The HSC results, called Tertiary Entrance Results (TERs) are for entrance in a Uni. Degree course.

  Currently here the trial HSC is over and the 'real thing' is coming up in a few weeks. Of course everyone knows it is far harder for the parents at this stressful time.

  Btw what do the initials SAT and ACT's stand for?
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  Most disgusting thing from Watchtower Corp.

  by spectromize in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  one thing that really doesn't add up with the organization and their registrating to be a corp.(yes i have to put this in quote sorry it's called non-profit corp.) is the very fact that they play in the worldly system of things while they tell you to keep out of it.

  (while they see nothing wrong in themselves playing the stock market with other peoples money) think about it where did jesus say to register god's organization as a corporation?.

  furthermore if you were living in jesus' period of time who would be the president-vice-president-secratary- treasurer-shareholders...?.

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  Hi waiting. Thanks for sharing those thoughts. Religion does get you thinking.

  I have been following the discussions, at H20, Witnet and here, for some time, about the cases of child abuse, including the link you gave to the case of Bryan R v.WTBTS. Legally I think the WTBTS are behaving as a Corp. should to protect its' interests. I have no problem with this; I expect them to behave, as would any other legal corp. However, as you brought out, morally and spiritually we can have different expectations.

  Society at large is changing its' opinion as to how paedophiles and child abusers should be treated in the general community, albeit too slowly; and the JWs have been as backward in this area as the rest.

  I am sorry that you ever had to experience such things as a child. It should not be so. It is vile and disgusting to rob children of their trust and innocence in this way. Hopefully these dreadful past wrongs will be righted in some way. As importantly, hopefully, we as a society in general will develop a better way to deal with these people as they deserve and learn better ways of protecting children from becoming victims. We have a long way to go with this yet.

  I am also sorry for your experiences with your local cong. elders and the continuing saga to right the situation. Unfortunately the western society's judicial systems very often do not give justice. While I have some respect and interest in its' convoluted laws once again we have a system that is a slave to itself and not necessarily the people it is supposed to serve.

  Perhaps as I grew up 'in the truth' I was given a different perspective than others like you and Red and R.Cat. I only expected the organisation of JW's, 'in this system of things', to behave as imperfect humans with all the same problems as the world of humans that they live amongst. The only times I have seen any evidence of something more are times of crisis and when it comes to the furthering of the preaching work. When it comes to the individual condition of the 'sheep' I have never seen anything greater in evidence than the human beings themselves. This perspective is one that I have been 'at odds with' with some members of my family since I was very young. I think that sometimes people see what they need to see in these areas.
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  Moment of Truth/ Cognitive Dissonance

  by Zep in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so how long have all you guyz here been apostates anyway, just curious?.i mean, it must be kind of cool to reflect and think...."well, heck, i'm a damned freaking apostate" or altleast a closet apostate, of which most of you are, i think?, right?.yeah, such a cool label is "apostate" huh!.but i'm interested, just how did all here personnally come to realise 'the truth' aint really that?, what set you on that track and made you look outside the bounds of wt literature into so-called apostate areas.. and what finally convinced you that its all just a heap of nonsense?

  and forced you to shockingly conclude you had been living a lie?.what did it do to you at that moment, i mean, how did you deal with this blatant self admission that the wt was wrong?

  did it crack you up or what...or did you just laugh it off or something?..

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  Well waiting I must admit that my first thought was that the noble title of PMS couldn't be granted to a more worthy and deserving friend, but then it occurred to me that the prefix (post - portending your demise)was pre-empting your expiry date! I had not realised that you were so ancient. Maybe I should finish with "You have my condolences."?
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  Registration deadlines

  by Seven in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  to high school juniors and seniors, pay attention.

  to the registration deadlines for you sat and act's.

  the first sat will be given on oct. 14, 2000. deadine is sept. 12th.

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  circare

  Hi 7,
  I'm curious about how the education years are divided in the States.

  What school years are covered by Junior and Senior High School and generally what ages would those years cover. Is college after Senior High? Is it before University or instead of Uni.

  Before Junior High is Elementary School, yes? What age do the children usually start Elementary School?

  Yeh, I know curiosity killed the cat, but that's RF not me!