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  Both the Watchtower and "You Know" are wrong, wrong, WRONG!

  by Schizm in

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  2. bible

  will people who die at armageddon really be finished forever?

  yes, the scripture says that they will be "killed" but not thrown into the lake of fire.

  but what about the scripture at revelation 17:8?

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  City Fan

  Schizzy,

  If I give someone a gift I don't go along a couple of months later and say 'you know that gift, I want it back!!!'. Only an idiot would do that.
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  Pivitol Date Stuff

  by IP_SEC in

  1. watchtower
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  i dont "get" the whole 1914 thing.

  the 'prophetic rule'?

  day fer a year?

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  City Fan

  The Jw no matter who, has to face the irrefutable fact he cannot make his kings list span the years given for Babylonian rule (WT years) 625 BC to 537 BC

  It's a very good point elderwho, especially since to get their pivotal date of 539BC they have to use king lists to count back from year 7 of Cambyses in 523 BC.
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  Pivitol Date Stuff

  by IP_SEC in

  1. watchtower
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  i dont "get" the whole 1914 thing.

  the 'prophetic rule'?

  day fer a year?

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  City Fan

  Scholar,

  And don't forget my question:

  Can you provide one reference outside of Watchtower publications and Furuli that supports your view of Zechariah 1 and 7, the 'past time hypothesis' as you put it. No doubt you can quote from some of this 'scholarly literature' you keep writing about.

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  Pivitol Date Stuff

  by IP_SEC in

  1. watchtower
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  i dont "get" the whole 1914 thing.

  the 'prophetic rule'?

  day fer a year?

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  City Fan

  mkr,

  Everyone else- Why are you arguing with this fruitcake? Why not argue with brownhole or better yet that oak tree in your yard...

  Although you would get much more sense from a tree than from scholar, I think threads like these can be useful to post arguments and evidence for why 607 is so very wrong.

  Arguing with Brownhole is completely pointless.

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  Pivitol Date Stuff

  by IP_SEC in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i dont "get" the whole 1914 thing.

  the 'prophetic rule'?

  day fer a year?

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  City Fan

  Scholar,

  Here again is what you said to me in a previous thread when I discussed Zechariah 1 and 7:

  You interpretation is preposterous and is not supported by Bible commentators. Did you bother to check what commentaries have to say on this subject of Zechariah 7:5 and 1:12

  I have since given you 2 sources that support my view of the 70 years of Zechariah. There are plenty of others. When asked several times to provide just one commentary outside of the WTS or Furuli to support your view you simply cannot. So I could ask you, did you bother to check what commentaries have to say on this subject of Zechariah 7:5 and 1:12 ?

  It's as simple as this. All secular evidence supports 586/587 as the fall of Jerusalem. There is much more evidence for this date than for the pivotal date of 539BC. Zechariah chapters 1 and 7 also support the date 586/587. "They were to ask this question of the prophets and of the priests at the Temple of the LORD Almighty: "Should we continue to mourn and fast each summer on the anniversary of the Temple's destruction, as we have done for so many years?" Zech 7:3 (NLT).

  So in 517BC the question was asked 'should we continue to mourn and fast?', not should we resume! The Watchtower's interpretation would only work if the fasts had been going on for 90 years, not 70.

  I don't think you have the necessary reasoning abilities to understand the arguments AlanF has explained to you. For example, do you have a response to this?

  Note that the author clearly states, should the Jews "continue to hold such a fast". Not, should the Jews "resume holding such a fast". So the Society agrees that the seventy-year period ended in 518/7 B.C.E. And if it ended then, it must have begun about 587 B.C.E.

  Again you write:

  From a critical study of those relevant texts and the scholarly literature on the subject

  Why do you never quote from any of this 'scholarly literature', if it backs up your arguments? You need to start quoting some of these references, as any proper scholar would, otherwise you are simply repeating yourself ad nauseum.

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  WTS Official Spin on monthly Awake: 'More emphasis on the Bible!'

  by Neo in

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  2. friends

  the march 2005 kingdom ministry brings up a full article about the awake only being published once a month, starting january 2006. .

  but the fun thing is the roundabout way this change is announced.

  knowing that the news would be a bitter pill to swallow (there should be a 'speeding up' of the preaching work, not a downsizing), the watchtower only announces the move to monthly publishing by the end of the article.

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  City Fan

  How long before a monthly Watchtower???
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  by IP_SEC in

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  i dont "get" the whole 1914 thing.

  the 'prophetic rule'?

  day fer a year?

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  Scholar,

  Those who support a past time hypothesis are able to point to the definite period of seventy years of servitude, exile and desolation which had already expired

  Can you come up with a reference outside of Watchtower publications that supports this view? Just one will do. (apart from Furuli pages 87-88 where you are getting this argument from)

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  Doctor who in the US

  by avishai in

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  i watched this show religiously as a kid on pbs.

  loved it, it was a great escape from my messed up life.

  talking about it in jr. high and high school helped earn me affectionate nicknames like "nerd, spaz, dork, faggot, etc.

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  City Fan

  I think whichever doctor you grew up with is the one you think is the best.

  So for me it is either Jon Pertwee or Tom Baker. The best programme ever!

  

  Btw, the new doctor is Chris Ecclestone of 'Shallow Grave' and '28 Days Later' fame.

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  Brownnose or Scholar

  by stillajwexelder in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  just a quick pole - who gives you the biggest laugh on this board - you have only two choices brownnose brownboy or scholar?

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  City Fan

  My vote goes to JCanon.

  His best was when he said a particular bible verse was fulfilled when he took his drag act across America and appeared on TV. Priceless.

  Oh and that Babylon was actually somewhere near Honolulu back in the 6th century BC.
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  Have many become atheists who've left the Watchtower?

  by The Leological One in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  thought i've never been a jw, my wife is, and she was df'd a couple months ago when we got married (we were together a short while before getting married).

  sometimes it seems she still tries to defend jw doctrines... others, it seems she's about ready to accept the idea of some other views (protestant), and yet i've wondered at times when she says she doesn't know what to believe if she's about ready to forget religion altogether.

  i'd prefer she keeps her faith in god but seek her understanding more from the bible than just from other people's doctrines -- esp.

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  City Fan

  My general philosophy now acknowledges a creative force, but not a personal creator. It is shaped a lot by Taoism.

  Exactly my thoughts! I left really not because I'd become completely atheist but because I could no longer believe in a god as portrayed in the Old Testament.

  I don't believe in a personal creator with human like emotions. I'm still searching, but that search is taking me more towards Taoist philosophies.

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