Posts by Lo-ru-hamah

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My last meeting

by PoppyR in

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so last night we had the last book study at our house, next week all the congregations change around and i asked for it to be moved.

so i sat in on it, and afterwards we had a bit of a 'party'.

felt quite emotional really, although i haven't answered for a long time i put my hand up to read a scripture just so i could mark the last time i did this.

Not too long ago I was curious about a friend of mine that is dfed. I called her family and just asked about how they were and then brought her up. I asked where she was living now and was wondering if she was doing anything about being a JW. Afterwards, I was able to call information in the city she was in and get her phone number. Playing nonchallant about it was helpful but then they knew me as sort of a ditz, so it might not have raised any flags. I would recommend that you pretend that you are just curious about how she is doing spiritually and that you just thought of her and were a little sad. You know, play up the whole JW thing.

Any way, hope that will help some.

Loruhamah

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How did you overcome the allure of Paradise? Or have you?

by M.J. in

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i think the biggest reason someone maintains their faith in the wts is because the wts is the "ticket" to paradise earth.. how did you deal with the prospect that the "ticket" salesmen weren't totally reliable?.

did it cause you to let go of your hope in paradise earth?

did it redirect it to another hope?.

Lo-ru-hamah

I haven't overcome the allure of Paradise. I still believe that the bible teaches it. Also, many christian and non-christian religions teach about some sort of paradise. Just don't think that so many people could be wrong. Though, if JW's are going to be the only ones there then I just assume die.

I honestly believe that God is more mercifull than your average JW. When Jesus was on the torture stake or cross (whichever you want) there was a conversation that occured with the evil doer next to him. "In reply the other rebuked him and said: "Do you not fear God at all, now that you are in the same judgment? And we, indeed, justly so, for we are receiving in full what we deserve for things we did; but this man did nothing out of the way." And he went on to say: "Jesus, remember me when you get into your kingdom." And he said to him: "Truly I tell you today, You will be with me in Paradise." The evildoer did nothing except express faith in Jesus and yet Jesus promised him paradise. So, yes, I believe in a paradise that will be extended to all who believe in Jesus. It is very important though to believe in Jesus and not the Governing Body. JW's are so concerned with men that they have completely taken Jesus out of the picture.

But this is just my opinion. I love the idea and don't want to give it up. Of course, if I were going by what the JW's believe then paradise is lost anyway. Oh well.

Loruhamah

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Does the King Kong movie have racist overtones?

by enlightenedcynic in

hey everybody,.

was having a discussion with a co-worker about the new kk movie.

he asked if i saw it already.

Lo-ru-hamah

I didn't get to see the entire film but being a white female I didn't really get any racial overtones in the film. But as I said I am white and it is difficult to understand what other races have to see and how they are treated. I just have to say, though, that I thought that the first mate, the black actor was absolutley gorgeous. In fact he was the best looking person in the entire film.

Loruhamah

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Hi to everybody...Hello from Chile

by miker2 in

im miker (well i guess you cant pronounce my last name haha), anyway, im sandro recabarren (a lot of rrrrrrr).

i was jw by 15 years, and i "worked" like pionner and ministerial servant, and sometimes in bethel, and i went to ministerial training shool too.

but since four years ago, i did discover that jerusalem dont fall at 607 bc.

Lo-ru-hamah

Hello Mike,

Welcome, neat you are from Chile. I know it is rather a large world but you wouldn't happen to know a Wade and Tirza Burhogher? I can't remember how their last name is spelled. Anyway, he is supposed to be missionary down there in Chile. Him and his wife were CO's but now missionaries. Well, just wondering. Welcome again.

Loruhamah

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Lords evening meal/last supper

by cyberdyne systems 101 in

has anyone else wondered why the witnesses hold a meeting in order to 'keep doing this in rememberance of me' ?

since i was old enough to think and reason (yes i know how terrible!

) i could never understand why our 'celebration', the one thing important to true christians in the year, was another meeting!

Lo-ru-hamah

It is interresting that this subject should come up. My family and I have been doing quite a bit of research into this. In Luke 22:14-20 Jesus instituted the New Covenant. This was his blood covenant and he did not make a distinction as to who should partake "keep doing this in remembrance of me." Later, in Luke 22:28 & 29 Jesus instituted another covenant with his disciples, the Kingdom Covenant. It says "However, you are the ones that have stuck with me in my trials; 29 and I make a covenant with you, just as my Father has made a covenant with me, for a kingdom, at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones to judge the twelve tribes of Israel." If then you cross reference this you will find it again mentioned at Revelation 5:10 "and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth." The WTS has linked those two covenants together as one but in actuallity Jesus distinguished the two as seperate. The WTS has done this in order for all to look to them as the mediator and try to emphasize their importantance and that only through them would the rest of the world be saved. Hence, in doing so they have taken Jesus' position of authority and Kingship. So, we have come to the conclusion that everyone who believes in Jesus and believes that his blood is what covers over our sins should partake because they are part of the new covenant.

Does this make sense to anyone else?

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Do YOU Consider Yourself An Apostate?

by Golf in

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i find this labeling insulting and misdirected.

i have been lied, deceived/tricked by a group of men posing as god's direct channel of communication.

when a group of men heightens the expectations of a world change to happen in 1975 (armageddon) to its' adherents and nothing occurs and then blame their adherents for thinking such thoughts, this is outright deception.

Lo-ru-hamah

Apostates are included among those who show their hatred of Jehovah by revolting against him. Apostasy is, in reality, a rebellion against Jehovah. Some apostates profess to know and serve God, but they reject teachings or requirements set out in his Word. Others claim to believe the Bible, but they reject Jehovah’s organization and actively try to hinder its work.

They seem to have two definitions here, one is that those who reject Jehovah are apostates and the other is that those who reject "Jehovah's Organization" are apostates. Personally, I have not rejected Jehovah and therefore do not consider myself an apostate of Jehovah.

However, if by finally thinking on my own and realizing that this organization is self proclaimed from Jehovah and yet lacking all the evidence of being chosen then yes, I am apostate. I do not follow men!!!

If everyone will remember Jesus Christ himself died an apostate. So, if I get to be labeled in that catagory then that is the best thing that could ever happen to me.

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Any Quick Advice For Those With Doubts in the Watchtower?

by AlmostAtheist in

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hey all,.

let's say you meet someone and they say that they are a jw, but they are having doubts about it.

they are doing some research and things just aren't adding up.

Lo-ru-hamah

Most of my reservation for this site was because i find it hard to believe (even now) most of those stories about child abuse, elder brutality and the UN and malawi/mexico scandal. It just doesnt phase me and i question the validity of alot of the stories.

Let me tell you something, those stories are true. One of the congregations that I came from the P.O. was a homosexual child molester for 15 years. Both of his sons were pedophiles but also ministerial servants and regular pioneers. My father was an elder in that congregation and told us later that there were 25 different cases of homosexuality and pedophilia. In fact two of the members in that hall either served time in prison or are currently doing so. I can give you their names and you can look it up on the sex offenders web site. I could go on and on telling these instances.

Also, why don't you go to the NGO section of the UN website and look for yourself the letter they have posted about the Watchtower.

People are not making these things up. Of course if it doesn't bother you, you should continue on your current course. That is what most witnesses do.

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My first time being shunned in public

by xjwms in

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so thats what it feels like.. i am not df'ed or da'ed, ... i have just stopped going to meetings.

my wife is trying to be as active as she can.. so all morning i am out of my regular routine.

late getting out of bed and late about everything today.. so i leave the house, and before getting to the office, i decide to stop at the mall for a quick, maybe 15 min, walk.. as soon as i get inside, taking my coat off, here is the elder who did everything he could in his power to get me out...and lied...and added to gossip that ran me outta there.. he and his wife spot me .. and turn there heads away and continue on their walk, .. eyes fixed on some thing away from me.. so thats what it feels like.........now i know.

Lo-ru-hamah

It really stinks that they can do this kind of thing.

As yet, we have not been shunned in public but I know it is coming. A jw came to our home the other day and said that they missed us and why we are not attending anymore. I told some of our story, you know, the whole UN scandal and he called us apostates for turning our back on the organization and left promptly. Also, we have a witness employee who has just quit because we are inactive and he cannot continue to work for us in good christian conscience.

Actually, I think that we are more happy than sad about this. And a family member has sent us the recent Jan. 15, 2006 watchtower asking us to read it.

What a crock!

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What's Your Pet Peeve At The Meetings?

by Golf in

overtime, overtime!

the thing that was a kill-joy for me was going overtime, just ask my wife and kids.

my entire day would be ruined.

Lo-ru-hamah

It really peeved me when you would go to the meetings and they expound on the wonderful spiritual paradise that we live in and that the brotherhood is sooooo loving. And then after the meeting no one is the least bit kind or loving and you walk out ready to cry because there must be something wrong with you because this loving group of people treat you like you are a worthless p.o.s.

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Has any body heard this....?

by Lo-ru-hamah in

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a family member that is in the j.w.

's just told us that the ministerial training school for young single brothers takes a day to tour the united nations facilities during their training?

does any one know if this is accurate information?

Lo-ru-hamah

A family member that is in the J.W.'s just told us that the Ministerial Training School for young single brothers takes a day to tour the United Nations facilities during their training? Does any one know if this is accurate information?