Posts by tim3l0rd

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Young couple invited to School for Kingdom Evangelizers

by StarTrekAngel in

a young couple from our cong has been invited to attend the school for kingdom evangelizers.

we found out because they rent a small home from my mil.

they came to tell her they will be leaving for florida for one month to two months.

tim3l0rd

It's actually a good scam that the WT has. They are getting pioneers excited to go to the SKE. Before the accept them, they make them agree to move where ever they are asked all on their own dime. When they graduate, they tell them where they want them to go and the pioneers go. It's like need-greaters, but the society gets to direct them like SPs without paying for them.

Many who graduated from the first classes (couples school) were upgraded to SPs, temp SPs, or temp COs. And even last years class graduates were told that after about 18 months they would either be upgraded to one of the above or be let loose to stay where they were assigned or return home.

I suspect that's why they feel comfortable letting all the SPs go. They have an almost free and endless supply of SPs that they don't have to pay for.

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children who are organized to do Jehovah's will

by Sabin in

the organized to do jehovah's will book pg 77, tells us haviing come to jesus, therefore, in response to his invitation to follow him, we have been blessed with knowledge of jah god & of jc.

we have been taught jah's ways.

with his help we have been able to make our mind over, change our personality, & harmonize our daily conduct with jah's righteous standards.

tim3l0rd

Want to read something that will make your blood boil? The 14 year old boy that was statutorily raped by a 35 year old JW woman was disfellowshipped along with her.

Here's the article:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/hearing-set-in-state-suit-against-jehovahs-witnesses-elders/2015/11/09/9be6d062-86be-11e5-bd91-d385b244482f_story.html

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Mass Resignations In Mormon Cult

by cofty in

thousands of mormons have simultaneously tendered their resignation from the cult following secret changes to the handbook that further discriminated against gay members and the children of gay couples.. "last week secret revisions to the handbook for the church of jesus christ of latter-day saints was leaked to the public, sparking a furious backlash and ultimately resulting in the mass resignations.

" source....

tim3l0rd

Mormons don't shun quite the same way as JWs either. They feel more open to discuss problems with one another. JWs are constantly told not to "murmur".

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Silent And Sweet Rebellion Going On Within JW Organization!

by lsw1961 in

after 1975, the vast majority remained as though nothing has happened.

but some left the organization.

however, there arose a third category who did not leave the organization, but brought a new view into their heart: jws are right in their core cause (gods kingdom as the solution to mankinds problems) but may or may not be right in their supplementary teachings, hence are not bothered about changes happening in this unimportant area..

tim3l0rd

lsw1961-

Thank you for your posts. It's encouraging to know that there are some who are more rational within the org. I too agree that some teachings of JWs have merit. I don't agree that I need to belong to JWs in order to be saved. I may stay, but only because of family. I think there are plenty of other ways to spread the good news other than knocking on doors or standing by a cart.

I hope that more rational JWs will continue to awaken, but there is no way that they can affect change. The org does not allow change from the R&F. The only change is from the top. They have repeatedly shown that the only time they will change is when forced to because of laws, court cases, or money. Maybe when the money dries up, they will start to realize how they have deviated from Christ.

It's hard to live a double-life though and I'm not sure I can keep up the pretense that I believe all that the GB spouts. I think that is what many have issue with as well.

I look forward to more discussions with you in the future.

- TL

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Why do most Christians churches have masonic and/or pagan symbols?

by kabwell in

has anyone looked at the local churches in their area and seen pagan and freemason symbols both inside and outside.

i am not a jw but at least they don't seem to follow this trend.

why do "christians" wear a symbol of torture and death ?

tim3l0rd

Recently someone posted their reasoning about the cross and I had never looked at it from that viewpoint.

Here's the post. Below is the reasoning that I found interesting and understandable.

We then went into the subject of the Cross. David raised the objection that the biggest issue he had with Christians is that they "Worship the cross"
This is when I chimed in. I said "David, whenever you have faith involved, there are always symbols representing the object of faith. Take for example the Watchtower. You have a "Symbol" of a Watchtower on that magazine, would it be unfair for me to say that you Worship a watchtower simply because of the symbol?"
...."Well...we don't worship a Watchtower!"
.."I agree, I suspect that this Watchtower Symbol is used to represent keeping on the Watch for Gods Kingdom, in the same way the Cross is for Christians. Its symbolic of Christ Death, burial and resurrection, conquering death and giving salvation to all who believe. Notice that Jesus isn't on the cross, he is absent from it. This is symbolic of his victory over death. So its not the cross we worship at all. Its a symbol of our salvation. Now this is not to say some Christians make a talisman out of an object, to this I would agree that it would be wrong to make this symbol into something its not. But its quite another thing to broad brush every Christian who has a cross as somebody who worships it."
..." Well its still an issue because this was a death instrument, would you wear a symbol of a gun if your best friend was murdered by one?"
.." Ok, the only issue is Christians don't see the cross as a torture device primarily, its a symbol of Atonement, the very place where your sins were paid for. So its a symbol of victory and salvation. Its not murder since Jesus voluntarily went to the cross"

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Elder On Tablet During Prayer

by jw07 in

during a prayer in the kh all our eyes are supposed to be closed, right?

i've never been one to fully my eyes during prayers.

i'll close them down, but just enough that i can still peep around at what's happening without being noticed.. there's something i've noticed a certain elder doing for the second time now.

tim3l0rd

I have the opposite problem. I've been in ASL so long that it feels weird to close my eyes and bow my head during a prayer.

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Now you don't even have to go to the Kingdom Hall - ALL meetings to be recorded & available on jw.org (if you have a password)

by sir82 in

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friends

latest boe letter:.

october 22, 2015. to all bodies of eldersre: use of jw stream.

dear brothers:we are writing to inform you that arrangements are being made for video recordings ofcongregation meetings, circuit assemblies, and conventions to be uploaded to jw stream (accessibleat http://stream.jw.org) in various languages.

tim3l0rd

Oubliette-

Are you saying they've jumped the shark?

-TL

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Are Jehovah's Witnesses marriages even legit?

by Joliette in

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friends

i ask this because of the circumstances behind why they get married and who they get married by.

i know people say that they are really in love, they love jehovah, etc, but are these marriages even legit.

i've talked to older jw's sister who are now widowed, some of them say that they were trapped in a marriages.

tim3l0rd

sex is actually very overrated, well for women it is.

Either my wife is really good at faking it and faking desire or that's not the case for all women. :)

my dad told me recently the only thing holding his marriage together was Jehovah.

Unfortunately, I think that's the case for many JW marriages. I know my parents were in that situation for many years while I was growing up. I'm not saying they should have divorced or I would have been better off if they had, but I saw some stuff that I wish I hadn't also. I will say it impressed on me my mom's patience and forgiveness.

I think too many non-JW marriages end too soon because people don't understand what marriage entails and are too self-centered, but I also thing too many JW marriages don't end soon enough.

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No more printing of WT and Awake in my country.. Shit just got real

by cognitivedizzy in

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friends

guys .

a letter was just read in out kh stating that all printing of wt and awake is ceased for the coming year and we will just place tracts on fs, countries which were cared by our branch will be cared by other countries...along with this they read the new fs form and stuff about reporting links of videos wtf..lol.

i can't tell which country perhaps that will give away a lot, any one with a similar information.

tim3l0rd

Can anyone else verify this?

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2 John 10

by What Now? in

just looking for some rebuttals to 2 john 10, specifically when it comes to shunning family.

we essentially admitted to our families that we do not want to raise our kids as witnesses and do not believe what jehovah's witnesses teach.

predictably, they use 2 john 10 to justify shunning us, specifically the portion of the verse where it says "if anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him".. since we are apostates (according to the jw definition), and no longer "bring this teaching", would our family be correct in interpreting this verse to mean that they should shun us?.

tim3l0rd

Look back at vs 9: (from the rNWT)

Everyone who pushes ahead and does not remain in the teaching of the Christ does not have God. The one who does remain in this teaching is the one who has both the Father and the Son.

Who is guilty of pushing ahead? How many times have JWs pushed ahead of the teaching of the Christ? When they taught that the end might come in 1975 did they "push ahead"? When they taught that those who saw the events of 1914 would not pass away before Armageddon came did they "push ahead"? What did Jesus say at Matt 24:36, 42-44 about the end?