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  Speaking of bathrooms at the DC

  by TweetieBird in

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  reading mulan's thread about her daughter-in-law's experience in the bathroom, i couldn't help remembering what happened at one district convention in jacksonville.. a sister brought her little 2 year old son in to spank.

  she whipped him for so long with a thick comb and everytime the little boy would cry she would spank him some more because he was crying.

  i went back to my seat crying.

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  As a mom, I too believe that the punishment should fit the "crime". Sometimes spanking is in order.

  That said, I still get knots in my stomach when I remember very young children (6m +) being spanked severely, really beaten, in the back of the hall for not sitting still.

  One of the circuit overseers favorite story was of a child (4yrs) who wouldn't sit still. After several warnings, his dad picked him up and headed to the back for a meeting with the "rod". The child, knowing what was coming, yelled "Jehovah, save me!"

  When this story was related and the congregation was laughing, I looked around, like, ok does anyone see ANYTHING wrong with this?

  If God dropped acid, would he see people? -- Steven Wright
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  NEW POLL - Number of Known Victims

  by Amazing in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  please, i am asking that only those who responded to my first poll about the numebr of molesters they know, to respond to this poll.

  this way i can make sense between the two polls.. please also, as you did before, avoid comments until i post the results.

  here are tow qeustions and how i answer them to kick this poll off to a start:.

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  #1 = 4 known
  #2 = 3 known
  #3 = 2 known
  #4 = 3 known
  #5 = 2 known
  #6 = 4 known
  #7 = 1 known
  #8 = uncounted, he molested (that I know of) all the children, grandchildren, neices, nephews & their children. A conservative estimate based upon the assumption that he only molested his own family is 32
  #9 = 4

  I attended 3 different congregations, but the most of the molesters were from other halls. I knew them b/c they were in my circuit, or I was friends with their victims.

  If God dropped acid, would he see people? -- Steven Wright
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  Bibles view of women and children.

  by Norm in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  christians want that everything must be wholesome and up building.

  of course nothing could be considered more so than the bible, the word of god.

  in our society we are very concerned with human rights and in particular the rights of women and children.

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  This was one of the biggest sticking points for me. I was taught that the further we humans got from Adam & Eve, the more imperfect we were. As each generation was born - there was more corruption, more evil, and less of God's plan was in us. My problem with this is, if humans were closer to perfection back then - is this how God intended for females & children to be treated?

  The answer I got was that I needed to have more faith and less concern about God's plan for me. I walked away shortly after that meeting.

  If God dropped acid, would he see people? -- Steven Wright
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  Favourite Stand Up Comic

  by BugEye in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  international of course:.

  dave allen, irish standup (sit down drinking whisky actually).

  bill cosby, love that fat albert.

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  Hands down...

  Steven Wright

  If God dropped acid, would he see people? -- Steven Wright
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  Americans...

  by closer2fine in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i saw the post on "canadians" and thought we should have one too!!!.

  i'll start.....i live in connecticut, usa.. if god dropped acid, would he see people?

  -- steven wright

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  Oh, I'm sorry!!! I wasn't here last week & I'm not caught up on my reading :)

  If God dropped acid, would he see people? -- Steven Wright
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  Americans...

  by closer2fine in

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  i saw the post on "canadians" and thought we should have one too!!!.

  i'll start.....i live in connecticut, usa.. if god dropped acid, would he see people?

  -- steven wright

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  I saw the post on "Canadians" and thought we should have one too!!!

  I'll start.....I live in Connecticut, USA.

  If God dropped acid, would he see people? -- Steven Wright
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  Young dubs move away to hide wrongdoing?

  by sawthelight in

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  sister s (from another tread)was being sent off to live with her grandparents to get her away from her worldly boyfriend.

  this type of situation also ocurred in my area and i was wondering how prevelent it was.

  one particular family had daughters who had model/movie star good looks and this approach was tried-unsuccessfully.

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  I don't remember any parts at meetings - but when I was away with relatives & going to the meetings the PO went out in service with me & grilled me with questions. He wanted to know why I wasn't pioneering anymore, had there been a particular event that caused me to "go off the list". (he was digging for dirt - thinking I wasn't good association for the young people in his congregation)

  When I told him that I asked to go off because of doubts eating at me - he seemed less interested and never asked me what they were - and he never tried to help me understand. The rumors circulated in this hall about the things I must have done in my old hall. Total BS.

  Back in my old hall - the rumor mill was working on overtime. By the time I moved back home - I think half the congregation expected me to be pregnant or walk in with a baby. I think they were dissappointed to see that I went off the list by CHOICE. This fact, of course, didn't stop the rumors.

  I continued to go to meetings, live at home, and get my old job back bartending. (I bartended all during my first year of pioneering - you only had to be 18 where I lived - the elders tried to come up with a reason why this wasn't an acceptable job) The rumors continued.

  After my parents moved out of state the rumors escalated. I had witnesses showing up at my work and apartment trying to get me to come back to the meetings. I finally moved and they hounded the person who moved into my old apartment. They were convinced that she was covering for me. (My former landlady called me to tell me that people were looking for me)

  Eventually I moved across the country and have never looked back. I am told that to this day my name comes up in conversation and that wild stories abound. (too bad I wasn't really that free spirited :o)

  Thanks for asking!

  If God dropped acid, would he see people? -- Steven Wright
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  Sci-Fi Fans Only: A.I.

  by Maximus in

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  i hear tell there are some aficionados out there.. as a young man i secretly loved ray bradbury, isaac asimov, l. sprague decamp, poul anderson, arthur c. clarke and others.

  loved brian aldiss' "super-toys last all summer.".

  when the movie "2001: a space odyssey" premiered, i sneaked into a theater all by myself, and was blown away.

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  I haven't seen it yet - but you have gotten my interest up!

  Maybe over the holiday weekend!

  If God dropped acid, would he see people? -- Steven Wright
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  Young dubs move away to hide wrongdoing?

  by sawthelight in

  1. jw
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  sister s (from another tread)was being sent off to live with her grandparents to get her away from her worldly boyfriend.

  this type of situation also ocurred in my area and i was wondering how prevelent it was.

  one particular family had daughters who had model/movie star good looks and this approach was tried-unsuccessfully.

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  When I went off the pioneer list (long story - no "wrong-doing" involved) I was sent to live with JW relatives over 1000 miles away to "clear" my head. When I came back, I still had the same issues, doubts, questions and lack of faith as I did before I left. The elders still didn't have answers to my questions - so I just faded away after my parents moved out of state & I stayed.

  Actually, now that I think about it, I did have a little bit of "unauthorized" fun while I was away. tee hee shhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

  If God dropped acid, would he see people? -- Steven Wright
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  POLL - Elders vs Molesters

  by Amazing in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i wish to conduct a legitimate poll, or at least as legitimate as it can get on this forum.

  unless you are or were a jw, please do not respond or make comments.

  please simply give an answer, without extended comments.

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  To the top again...

  Please vote - this is really important

  If God dropped acid, would he see people? -- Steven Wright