Can't wait for the new light WT. Free toilet paper.
You can't use the WT for toilet paper. It's too full of sh*t already!
(since i suspect i am being watched to ensure my compliance to the terms of the settlement agreement, i thought i would take advantage of the captive audience) .
hey!
watch tower!
Can't wait for the new light WT. Free toilet paper.
You can't use the WT for toilet paper. It's too full of sh*t already!
i remember a friend telling me about this song around 8 years ago.
it was right when i first got involved in the jw's.
it's a pretty strange song, one that was obviously written by someone that didn't know much about jehovah's witnesses.
Did anybody else think immediately of singing this to the tune of the Monkees song?
Here they come ...
long time lerker, first time poster here :d for years i have been dissolutioned with being a jw.
i stopped going 2 years ago.
i got married to my wonder jw wife 1 year ago.
I think that was a great letter to write your wife!
I absolutely hate it when JWs say that "it is the closest to the truth that is out there" or they say "if we leave, where else is there to go?" Like you said, it is a cult and those phrases seem to be somehow implanted in our brain at some point.
Since your wife is open-minded and seems to want to do research, I would encourage her to research the basic history of the watchtower society. How did it begin? Where did Russel recieve his influences? What exactly was the "great apostacy" that happened after Russel died?
If she does her own research, she will find that the witnesses today are so far removed from what the religion once was. The question she will inevitably be searching for is ... when exactly did it become "the truth"? I think it is especially important to do this research if you were raised in the organization. You don't know where you're going unless you know where you've been.
What was especially helpful to me was when I researched the off-shoots of Watchtower society. Believe or not, several of these groups have excellent resources online to research the Watchtower's history. If you haven't been to these already, here are a few you can give her:
http://www.biblestudents.net/history/
http://www.strictlygenteel.co.uk/ (This one is JW friendly ... it may be better received as a webpage okay to visit).
Good luck!
can anyone tell me of a religious organization that preaches truth?
or are all organizations full of lies and man made beliefs?
"True Religion" is an oxymoron.
this game is super hard to beat it's only four levels but it's like monster hard!.
anyone gets to level four let me know!.
click here http://www.winterrowd.com/maze.swf.
not funny
d****, january 21, 2006. .
just so you know, living with you for 8 12 years was like living in hell.
remember when you used to ask me who paid the bills, and i said mom?
Wow! You do sound angry! It is good to vent though. He sounds like a pretty typical JW man to me ... not that I am bitter or anything either!
He sounds like he took lessons from my dad. My dad was a complete asshole, and an elder, too. Wait ... that was redundant.
Anyway ... welcome to the Bitter Daughters Club!
we all know that the jw's think that the end is so close.. in a way, i'm still programmed that way.
i like reading news from all around the world, and you can find bad news all around the world.
example: bird flu, iran nuclear problem, terrorism, and so on.... i'm just wondering if other x witnesses here still are doom and gloom people, thinking that we are on the edge of some world catastrophy?
Actually, since I left, I have realized that the world it not such a bad, scary place. I think there are more good people in the world than bad people. I think the media does a great job of sensationalizing everything that it feeds the fear that JWs thrive on. If I didn't know any better, I would think the JWs were paying the media to do it!
Yes, there are evil things that happen in the world, but all of these of things only happen because people make bad choices. It doesn't mean it is the end of the world.
With that being said, whenever there is a disaster on a large scale ... i.e. WTC disaster, tsunami disaster ... that old JW programming comes out of ... I don't know where ... and it takes me a minute (sometimes longer) to bring myself back to reality.
well, it's memorial season and mom has been giving me the "look" this past week ever since she has decided to pioneer for february and march.
anyways, the thing is i plan on buying a new car in the next couple months.
well, i know how my mom operates.
I know of a jw woman in her late 30's who still lives with her mother. She has a brother a little younger who still lives at home. She also has a sister who is only 6 months older than me who lived in their parents' house until her mid 30's then moved out but still is closely linked to the parents. None of these children have ever married and my mother just loved to use them as examples of perfect jw children who have stayed in the "truth". Personally I think they are a very good examples of wasted lives.
I agree. It is remarkable to me how different the expections of boys and girls are when it comes to what they are to do when they "grow up". The boys are to either get married young and move out, or go to Brooklyn, or at the very least, move out and support themselves. Girls are to get married young and move out. If that doesn't work, they are to live at home with their parents hoping a nice JW man comes along to marry someday ... and we know how many or those there are.
well, it's memorial season and mom has been giving me the "look" this past week ever since she has decided to pioneer for february and march.
anyways, the thing is i plan on buying a new car in the next couple months.
well, i know how my mom operates.
Just because some of you chose to leave the witnesses before you were financially ready doesn't mean it is the right choice for everyone. Most of you probably know that when you are raised in the organization, it becomes such a dependent way of life, it is hard to break away from it. And when you do, it may take years to mentally break away from it completely. It takes a lot of head work on yourself, and a bit of consideration to what it means to take care of yourself.
I know many here left under traumatic circumstances, like being disfellowshipped and being cut off from everyone and everything in an instant. But leaving on your own is a whole different ball game. Why not at least try to do it as less dramatic, traumatic, and painful as possible. It is not completely avoidable, but there are degrees, I think.
Everyone has their threshhold of when enough is enough and you just can't do it anymore, and I think it is different for everyone. 22 may sound old to still be dependent on your parents, but I found it to be pretty common among witnesses when I was in ... for girls in particular. I know of JW women in their late 20s who still live with their parents today.
I know you don't have a set plan in mind yet, stilla, but if you are serious about leaving some day, you might start thinking about exactly how you can do it.
well, it's memorial season and mom has been giving me the "look" this past week ever since she has decided to pioneer for february and march.
anyways, the thing is i plan on buying a new car in the next couple months.
well, i know how my mom operates.
I don't really think it will make much difference when I do decide to leave. I know my mom will be really hurt. That is what I fear the most. But not the elders or anyone else..just me hurting her.
I understand perfectly. I plodded along as best I could until I graduated college at age 22. I got my first "real" (money making) job and moved out six months later. Six months after that, my meeting attendance had stopped completely to the point where I was called on it by my family. I told them I just couldn't make myself be a witness anymore. Mom said in kind voice, "But, you'll be destroyed." I told her that was okay with me. I didn't want to live forever. They sent elders to my door, to which I did not answer.
My family stopped talking to me for a good six months. I expected it to be forever, even though it was heartbreaking. They slowly came around. First, I would meet them to eat once in a while. Then, I would come over for dinner once in a while. Now, it is really weird how much they are willing to associate with me. I talk to my sisters several times a week, and my mom once a week. I am very open about not being a witness. It has been five years now.
When you leave, you cannot avoid hurting your mom, but she has to take responsiblity for her own feelings and you, yours. When you do finally leave, I guarantee you it will be the hardest thing you ever do, but you will live through it, and it is very possible that your relationship with your mom will bare the storm, too. I promise you, it will be worth it in the end. I'm sure I don't have to tell you this, but living a lie is the worst feeling in the world.