hi everyone.
what does anyone think of the crisis of conscience book?
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In my opinion, a lot of it was very dry and difficult to get through. but totally worth the struggle. I had to put it down and come back to it several times. I first read it as I was in the process of leaving.
I have thought about reading it again. I am guessing I will get something totally different out of it now that I am older and have been gone for so many years.
how many months consecutively does a jw have to miss turning in time to be inactive?.
I agree with what others have said. This is what I remember from growing up as an elder's kid.
No time turned in for 1-5 months: irregular
No time turned in for 6 or more months: inactive
They do not officially keep track of whether you attend the meetings or not. Technically, you could not ever attend a meeting and still turn in time every month and still be counted as an active publisher, although I have never heard of anyone getting away with that.
was there one certain event or was it more a cumulative thing?.
When I was 16, my mother and I finally escaped from my abusive father, who had been an elder for years. She sought help from the elders for years. The only help they provided was telling her what a good little JW wifey she was for keeping secret and not "bringing reproach upon Jehovah's name", and to pray more. It took her 29 years to get away from him.
When we got away from him, we started over in a new town. Initially, we had nothing, except a suitcase of clothes. No job, no car, no place to live. Eventually, things started to fall in place (without the assistance of our "brothers and sisters") and we were able to go back and get only some of our stuff that we had left behind.
After it was all said and done, I told my mother that I didn't want to be a Witness anymore. I just couldn't imagine living forever with these people who wouldn't help us. Her response was "I know. I feel that way too sometimes, but there's nothing else out there." I attempted suicide shortly afterwards. It took another seven for me to be able to stop going to meetings and attempt a fade, but this is what precipitated my decision to leave. I would rather be dead than with the Witnesses, so how bad could the world be?
The final straw where I said I absolutely will not step foot in a Kingdom Hall again? It was a drama at the summer convention. My mom convinced me to go on that one day because she knew when I was growing up, the dramas were always my favorite part of an otherwise boring 4 days. (Showing my age).
The drama was about Moses and Korah, and how Korah would not listen to Moses when he came down from the mountain serving as God's mouthpiece. Korah wouldn't accept Moses's authority so the earth opened up and swallowed him. They very clearly lined out the correlation to today. Moses represented the organization/ F&DS. Korah represented any JW that questioned their authority.
I was in my early 20s, and was incensed at the very blatant fear tactics they were using. It was the last JW ANYTHING I went to. That is not why I left, but it was the straw that broke the camel's back, so to speak. It made me realize I was old enough and strong enough to walk away, and the only thing keeping me in the Borg was my own two feet.
merry christmas, simon!.
any chance that the search feature of this forum could be improved?
i would like to be able to search by date range, or at least be able to reorder the results in order of newest to oldest.. thanks,.
Merry Christmas, Simon!
Any chance that the search feature of this forum could be improved? I would like to be able to search by date range, or at least be able to reorder the results in order of newest to oldest.
Thanks,
Wild_Thing
counties once at war with one another can forgive and move on.
even horrible murderers who killed the family members of someone can be forgiven for the act that they did.. but god, no no no.
no such thing can happen.
It's worse than North Korea's three generation rule.
according to this website ... http://www.americansthatmatter.com/charles-taze-russell/.. fairly accurate.
it must be new.
i haven't seen it before.
It is definitely just a bare bones article about him. I thought it was interesting (and strange) that he has space on a mainstream website, right between Tupac and Blackbeard.
No kidding! Check out the arrows on either side of the page that navigates to the next biography. Kind of funny! Haha!
according to this website ... http://www.americansthatmatter.com/charles-taze-russell/.. fairly accurate.
it must be new.
i haven't seen it before.
I thought the same thing! I thought ... wait ... he mattered??? I guess that just goes to show ... you don't have to do much to matter.
according to this website ... http://www.americansthatmatter.com/charles-taze-russell/.. fairly accurate.
it must be new.
i haven't seen it before.
According to this website ... http://www.americansthatmatter.com/charles-taze-russell/.
Fairly accurate. It must be new. I haven't seen it before.
if i text my disfelowshupp daughter and it's a normal text do i go to gehenna?.
It depends. Is Gehenna the name of your local bar? Then, yes, I would go there.
we all know that this cult will drive those trying to leave to desperate measures, and today by brother was very nearly one of those statistics.
he slashed his thigh with a kitchen knife and was bleeding out until he called the police.. i got a call on my way home from work from a police officer, coincidentally it was one of my old friends from school who's now a cop.
he told me my brother is in hospital after an attempted suicide and has lost some blood but will be ok. but i should get to the hospital as he's asking for me.
I am really sorry, pale.emperor. I hope your brother finds his way out of the Watchtower in one piece.
I also attempted suicide when I was 16. My mother and I had just relocated to get away from my abusive father, with no help from the witnesses. I was so upset and disillusioned by how the elders protected my elder dad for so many years, and did NOTHING to help us, I didn't want to be a Witness anymore.
When I told my mother this, she said, "I feel the same way sometimes, but there's nothing else out there in the world". I believed her. And I decided I would rather die than live forever with only Jehovah's Witnesses.
It took me another 8 years or so before I was able to stop attending meetings and start to walk away completely.
My younger self couldn't see another option for myself outside of the Jehovah's Witnesses. I bet your brother is struggling with the same thing. His Aspergers only complicates it. I am so thankful he has you to help him get out. I had no one. I think I would have left sooner if I had had anyone on the outside willing to help me.
Good luck with your brother.
