Posts by Jake99

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Jesus......was He Born on Earth or in Heaven?

by gumby in

revelation is an odd book even to believing christians.

nowhere in the book is jesus earthly life discussed.

not the sacraments, miracles, his earthly existance, his birth.......nothing.. this book is an obvious hatred for the roman dictators written by a disgruntled jew/jews that wrote in a fantasy world concerning roman destruction by the hand of a fictitious jewish messiah who never showed.. the christ of revelation is actually born in heaven, and under pretty extraordinary circumstances (his mother is clothed in the sun, with the moon at her feet, wearing twelve stars as a crown a reasonable description of isis).

Jake99

DavidChristopher

You are correct that Jehovah will use a messanger just like the last time. Convincing people to take a different path is not so easy considering Jesus was unsuccessful and so is the bible. It is a feat of impossible magnitude to change the world operating systems by way of world leaders and yet it is childs play for the Messiah. So what does it take to get the world to accept the operating system that Jesus recommended instead of the opposite ? It takes a messenger from Jehovah who leads by example to perform miracles and prophecies and afterwards reveals that he is the Christ just as Jesus did. That way all can review the evidence that was left behind and question the witnesses who saw it happen but did not understand.

How long must mankind wait depends on how long it takes the Messiah to find followers. The Messiahs performance is a piece of cake, finding a believer is not.

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Who is more powerful? A leader that convinces people, or threatens/kills?

by DavidChristopher in

which do you think is the most powerful leader?.

the leader that can convince his people to follow his example, and trust him.. or the leader that threatens his people, and carries a big gun.

any thoughts?

Jake99

A leader who convinces people to follow him is far more likely to succeed from start to finish. When I was 25 the team of Teamsters that worked for me gave me a tee shirt that said President ITT on it as a going away gift. I supervised a small operation that swept the quarterly company awards for the year I was with them. It became the normal every where I went and I never needed a gun or strong arm tactics for the next 20 years in other facilities either. Point being if you are doing things the right way, everyone is happy to follow your lead. Peace and prosperity goes a long way in creating happiness among followers, I see none of that under the wasteful and destructive leadership of GW Bush or any of the leaders before him. I have been where they are trying to go and they will never get to the destination using the systems thay use.

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do you think the end is near?

by drew sagan in

i will say that the "evidence" for a drastic change in mankinds history (end of the world, the great day of god the almighty, what ever you want to call it) seems likely when doing a survey of where mankind is a the current point in time.

nuclear weapons, wars, technology, globalization, and ecological destruction all seem to point towards a place that mankind has never been before.

mankind is unquestionably in a position differant from any point in human history.

Jake99

Drew,

The End Time is as you suspect, very near. All that stands between this world and the next is for the Messiah to get the right believer to listen to him, believe in him, investigate the facts presented and spread the word that he has come. For this time to be the one, the Messiah must have already done what the bibles said he would prior to unveiling himself.

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Jesus......was He Born on Earth or in Heaven?

by gumby in

revelation is an odd book even to believing christians.

nowhere in the book is jesus earthly life discussed.

not the sacraments, miracles, his earthly existance, his birth.......nothing.. this book is an obvious hatred for the roman dictators written by a disgruntled jew/jews that wrote in a fantasy world concerning roman destruction by the hand of a fictitious jewish messiah who never showed.. the christ of revelation is actually born in heaven, and under pretty extraordinary circumstances (his mother is clothed in the sun, with the moon at her feet, wearing twelve stars as a crown a reasonable description of isis).

Jake99

The man child with the iron rod, will show you much, but will you understand what he does and accept him? That is the question of faith that requires a look at the facts.

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Jesus......was He Born on Earth or in Heaven?

by gumby in

revelation is an odd book even to believing christians.

nowhere in the book is jesus earthly life discussed.

not the sacraments, miracles, his earthly existance, his birth.......nothing.. this book is an obvious hatred for the roman dictators written by a disgruntled jew/jews that wrote in a fantasy world concerning roman destruction by the hand of a fictitious jewish messiah who never showed.. the christ of revelation is actually born in heaven, and under pretty extraordinary circumstances (his mother is clothed in the sun, with the moon at her feet, wearing twelve stars as a crown a reasonable description of isis).

Jake99

Jesus was born in the mind and hand of God in heaven, as well as in the womb of woman on Earth. His earthly parents were very special but no one knew his identity untill he himself revealed it. To work for God and to do his will is a protected and mysterious adventure that takes the Messiah to many places doing things other leaders cannot do. But when he admits to being the Christ and takes on the government, all that had followed him and witnessed the miracles, were no where to be found.

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What do you believe now?

by NowImFree in

i have been out of the jws officially for over 3 years now, since disassociating.

after researching the history of the organization and reading the bible (without) the watchtower, i am now a christian.

i am just curious what happens to most ex-jws as far as their beliefs go, after they leave the organization.

Jake99

Religions will all dissapear when you follow the operating system recommended in the bible, and the leader who has been, as Jesus was. If you were like Jesus, you would do as he did, not what this world does. I have yet to find anyone other than myself, who endorses the environmental operating system recommended in the bible, thus all of you stand firmly against the Messiah. You won't need a mysterious book to guide you in the future, for Christ in the flesh will lead all to the promised land. And if you want the system to only use 144,000 leaders, I am quite sure that will be enough, verses the millions you have today. That is how simple it gets in the twinkling of an eye.

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Revelation 12:1

by Honesty in

who is this woman?.

rev 12:1-5 a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and a crown of 12 stars on her head.

she was pregnant and cried out in labor and agony to give birth.

Jake99

The new mother of the Messiah is probably the best looking woman this world has seen. And the Messiah's earthly father is probably the most educated man on the planet. Remember that Christ would have all the best gifts to work with. Born a King, with the purpose of leading this world in an entirely different direction that is safe and sound.

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Who will be resurrected according to the WTS?

by M.J. in

i was wondering what the wts's stand is on who will be resurrected into the "new system".

because of the assertion that people have been "freed from sin" upon their death, shouldn't just about all people who ever lived deserve a resurrection?.

the only ones who won't be resurrected, according to the wts, are those who commit the unforgiveable sin:*** g75 10/22 p. 12 how can you benefit from this hope?

Jake99

I don't even know what the WTS is, but now I understand why the JWs and Christians are so confused about what Jeus said. You take things litterally that are meant sybolically and symbolically when they are meant litterally. You do not have a clue as to the meaning of the words of Jesus because you have the opposite mindset and opposite operating systems. Armageddon starts with a war between the Messiah and the Government. The Messiah wins as always, because he is the best judge and leader on the planet, but the government rejects the Messiah and the war goes on for seven years before the believers wake up and recognize the Messiah. That seven year period is almost over and you did not even see it begin. Under no circumstances is anyone to be harmed by the second coming of Christ. You do have to be judged to be healed, but its painless, just a change in operating systems and a new perfect leader to guide you. Am I talking a language you don't understand?

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Who will be resurrected according to the WTS?

by M.J. in

i was wondering what the wts's stand is on who will be resurrected into the "new system".

because of the assertion that people have been "freed from sin" upon their death, shouldn't just about all people who ever lived deserve a resurrection?.

the only ones who won't be resurrected, according to the wts, are those who commit the unforgiveable sin:*** g75 10/22 p. 12 how can you benefit from this hope?

Jake99

All have been decieved, and are dead in Christ, so all who listen and follow the Messiah will be resurrected by a new system. The physically dead bodies will not be coming back, but the souls will all return in new bodies as they are born again through the womb. Its a continuous cycle and a new world that all are reborn into.

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What do you believe now?

by NowImFree in

i have been out of the jws officially for over 3 years now, since disassociating.

after researching the history of the organization and reading the bible (without) the watchtower, i am now a christian.

i am just curious what happens to most ex-jws as far as their beliefs go, after they leave the organization.

Jake99

JH ,

I agree that the money changer will be no more, and the gambler will not enter the kingdom either. Those jobs will be eliminated by the Messiah, and the thief will steal no more. Its not the people who are bad, its the systems they use that produce the problems they have.The King of Kings changes to a simple and fair operating system and the environmental problems and wasted manpower dissappears automatically. That does not mean people are gone, but rather spending more time at home, or on public transportation as a result of a highly efficient system change.