Thanks for this reference, TJB. I'll have to spend some time looking it over, and thanks, Gilgamesh, for the background and info. Your experience takes me back, and your site looks insightful.
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you know this site ?
by TJ Brother inhttp://ad1914.com/.
this site contains a lot of interesting information .
personal experiences of former jehovah's witnesses , explanation of 607, 1914 faithful slave , and important changes in march 15th, 2015 watchtower, explained & clarified .. .
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Another Elevated Group of J.W.'s Now?
by The Searcher inwhy are only pioneers allowed to do "metropolitan witnessing"?
why do they need "special training" to stand like a zombie for hours, speaking only to their fellow elite?.
even a pioneer's mother couldn't answer me!.
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Perhaps the cart witnessing thing has, as one motive, rewarding those who pioneer by giving them 'easy hours' to make their quota??? It's sort of like 'doorstep Bible studies', child baptism, etc., done to pad the stats??
We all remember that 'hierarchy of worthiness' that exists in the Witness world, with just being a normal publisher (shamefully) at the bottom. This 'special service' of 'Metropolitan Witnessing', like those who rate getting invited to the Annual Business Meeting, Gilead graduations, etc., will add one more rung to their already crowded hierarchic ladder. It makes the ones chosen feel even more special as well. Then it will be viewed a 'new light' and one more step in Jehovah's earthly chariot being on the move. Looking at it from an in-house perspective, it's a win-win development.
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James Penton
by Hold Me-Thrill Me injames penton is he still alive?
my wife left me his book but i've not found anything else on him.
does he post somewhere?.
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as of June 6th
Is that date right? It's only June 4th now. I doubt that you're claiming prophecy!
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NH Knorr and his marriage
by moggy lover ini have heard anecdotal evidence about the marriage of nh knorr to audrey monk [i think that was her name] and how it had never been consummated, in other words that it was a sham.
but does anyone know the facts about how this marriage ended?
did knorr engineer a divorce at some time, and if so, on what grounds?
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Found the ref.:
WT 1906, reprints 3815.
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NH Knorr and his marriage
by moggy lover ini have heard anecdotal evidence about the marriage of nh knorr to audrey monk [i think that was her name] and how it had never been consummated, in other words that it was a sham.
but does anyone know the facts about how this marriage ended?
did knorr engineer a divorce at some time, and if so, on what grounds?
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NH Knorr and his marriage
by moggy lover ini have heard anecdotal evidence about the marriage of nh knorr to audrey monk [i think that was her name] and how it had never been consummated, in other words that it was a sham.
but does anyone know the facts about how this marriage ended?
did knorr engineer a divorce at some time, and if so, on what grounds?
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You may be thinking of C. T. Russell. He stated right in the WT that he and Maria never consummated their marriage—insightful now given all their marital difficulties. I read the WT statement years ago myself, but don't have the ref. any more. Surely someone here does. Penton, I think, made a deal about this in one of his books.
Given how much Knorr changed after marriage, I doubt that he followed Chuck's lead on this one.
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They lie about everything, why don’t they lie about annual publisher growth?
by John Aquila injwfacts show that publisher growth was 15% pre- 1975 and has decline to about 2%.
what prevents them from fudging the annual growth and keeping it at something more positive like 10%?.
"a great crowd that no man is able to number".
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many newly baptised getting reproved and df'd!
by nowwhat? inparents are turning their children in for such offences as stealing from the cookie jar, not cleaning their room and worst of all, not eating their vegetables!
many parents are writing the org.
if they should shun their 8 year old.
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Lemonparty,
Well, maybe not but nowwhat? may be onto something. We all remember how nutty/stupid some of the R&F, as well as some elders, are. I can certainly picture some of those types shortsightedly threatening baptized youngsters, who will soon become a numerous force, with judicial action as an "immediate" way to control their childish behavior (like parents who threaten to spank kids without ever doing so). That will eventually open up a whole new can of worms. Oh, the decisions the GB makes that have not been thought out!
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Better Bible Translation?
by Sofia Lose inwhich bible translation is the best, according to biblical scholars, anybody knows?
please chime in.. i plan on getting it and doing comparison with the new world translation.
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Your question presupposes that "according to Biblical Scholars" there is one, "the best" Bible translation. No offense, but this attitude may show that some Witness-type thinking is at work in your mind. There is no one "the best" Bible translation. Some are more literal, sometimes missing the meaning. Others are free, at times taking liberties that may not be legit. There are many factors that go into producing a Bible translation. Short of learning Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek (!), you could just start using several translations (note the comments from others above).
One more thing: biblical scholars are all over the page. They're hardly a unified group. Some are liberal, some conservative, some atheists or agnostics. Some are Jewish, others Catholic, others Protestant, others non-denominational. The Bible, like any other body of ancient literature, is complex, so looking for simple solutions will only lead to either disappointment or a biased fantasy.
My "chime."
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G Losch: child baptised at 5, reg pioneer since!
by fifth.column inat the end of april, there was a zone visit in france, with tv broadcast in all kh.. g. losch told he received a letter from a girl, 10 years old, baptised at 5, reg pioneer since 4 years !
what a fine example, he said....... let s imagine the faces of the parents in the kh!
i was happy to see i was not the only one to find it crazy.. if you have a child, you know how mature he is at 5. how can a child preach 2.5hours/day after 7hours of school and homework to do??
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Are they working toward infant baptism eventually?