Posts by careful

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WTB&TS has invested $40,000,000 in November 2007 in a Hedge fund located in the Cayman Islands, a tax haven

by sammy in

wtb&ts has invested $40,000,000 in november 2007 in a hedge fund located in the cayman islands, a tax haven.

the document is from the official website : securities and exchange commission:.

http://www.sec.gov/archives/edgar/vprr/07/9999999997-07-048801 .

careful

Thanks for posting this. Breaking open the kid's piggy bank to contribute would probably not sit well with many ignorant R&F Witnesses if they knew that the WTS has so many millions to invest while they're being told how broke they are!

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Governing Body, painted in a corner, now what?

by Wasanelder Once in

the governing body have painted themselves in a corner, so to speak.

if they acknowledge their response to abuse claims was insensitive, unloving and inadequate they are denying the belief that "god's way" is best and risk losing abuse cases.

if they stick with it and say it is "god's way according to the bible" they will be seen as cult leaders and risk losing abuse cases.

careful

WOAE: fascinating thread. Thanks.

DOC: haven't they already been lining up for some time now? Haven't there been dozens of hushed-up payouts?

d4g:

AM III would not have mentioned the above quote in a broadcast a few months back, were that not the case.

Right on! They are definitely running scared, as those TV broadcast comments show. In their minds they're digging in. Some may well be expecting this to be the issue that leads to the big A.

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Born Ins Vs Converts

by JW_Rogue in

did you ever feel like born ins were looked at differently than those that were converted?

i always felt that there was a level of suspicion around those "raised in the truth".

that we were always suspected of being jws to make our family happy.

careful

Anybody know which of the GB members are born-ins and which converts?

From what I've read Morris is a convert and Sanderson a born-in. Anyone want to add to that?

How much do you think the difference matters among them? I remember some elder meetings where the difference manifested itself... It must among them too, at least at times.

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We are slowly moving away from that kind of preaching work

by oppostate in

john hoyle--jws go knocking on strangers doors and try to get inside homes to preach.. wt rep--we are slowly moving away from that kind of preaching work, we do more preaching by using literature carts and personal telephone calls.. .

the above quote is from john hoyle's website:http://insidethewatchtower.com/doctrine/phone-calls-to-bethel-jw-org-email-and-contacts/.

it's interesting, isn't it?

careful

joe134cd:

I think they're not going onto the web previously is mainly due to their earlier experience with it. To them it was source of problems, two kinds of "evil". Brothers were accessing porn like never before. Some bros. would go online with their wives, showing them oral sex, threesomes, etc. and then try to get their wives to try such things out. Without going off on a tangent into the morality of such sexual things, to the service department and the GB, that is, in their limited experience, the net was a source of trouble. The same was just as true, indeed perhaps more so, with their view of apostasy. The net was THE source of many losing their faith in the org as God's sole spokesman on earth. Can you see why they distrusted it so much?

The remarkable thing here is that something, or more likely some things, really caused them to do an about face here, in a very big way. It would be interesting to know just what those factors were...

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We are slowly moving away from that kind of preaching work

by oppostate in

john hoyle--jws go knocking on strangers doors and try to get inside homes to preach.. wt rep--we are slowly moving away from that kind of preaching work, we do more preaching by using literature carts and personal telephone calls.. .

the above quote is from john hoyle's website:http://insidethewatchtower.com/doctrine/phone-calls-to-bethel-jw-org-email-and-contacts/.

it's interesting, isn't it?

careful

For what it's worth, they came to my door this week. They waited after they knocked too. I just don't respond any more. It's the safest course in my situation. Sure, they've got this new avenue they're pushing, but I don't see them giving up on their signature modus operandi. In the last year they've come at least 3 times to my home, and the same congo runs a booth outside the local Walmart as well.

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An interesting theory on Stephen Lett

by joe134cd in

interesting theory i thought on stephen lett.

if anything i would of thought tomo3 would of caused them more grief with his comments.. http://insidethewatchtower.com/governing-body/stephen-lett-dumped-from-governing-body/.

careful

Yeah. For someone who claims special info on what's going on inside the org, this guy hasn't got a clue. Lett will leave the GB when he dies.

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What was your eye opening moment?

by WasOnceBlind in

if you had to pinpoint the time or experience that finally made you open your eyes, what would it be?.

i think for me it was the time i saw my dad shun his brother who he had not seen in decades just because he was a da'ed jw.

i thought to my self "no way jesus would do that.

careful

Coming to realize that the local corruption was just a manifestation of the organization- wide corruption and that it's source was the GB.

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Schoolyard bully mentality

by FusionTheism in

i'm not naming names, but i just want to encourage people on here or on reddit or twitter, and tell you that you do not have to tolerate people who act like schoolyard bullies in the way they speak to you online.

i think anonymity is a big part of it.

they feel like there is zero accountability so they can be a bully all they want.. i recommend just ignoring or blocking anyone who is verbally abusive or treats you like schoolyard bullies treated you.. life is way too short to spend any time dealing with those kinds of people..

careful

I couldn't help but respond to this statement:

FusionTheism a day ago

Truthseeker,
A bully is a bully. Doesn't matter where they are.
Why would anyone want to interact with a bully?

As so many of us here know firsthand, THERE ARE PLENTY OF BULLIES WHO LOVE TO INTERACT WITH OTHER BULLIES. THEY'RE RAMPANT AMONG BODIES OF ELDERS IN JW CONGREGATIONS. Not that every BOE is this way, but my years of experience "in" revealed that many not only LOVED interacting with other overseer-bullies, but basically lived for it, thrived in it, both in local BOEs and at Bethels. They "want" this. They are often in competition for bullying with their fellow elder-bullies. Sometimes it's openly crass. Other times it's subtle and crafty.

Now as to "why," well that's another essay.

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you know this site ?

by TJ Brother in

http://ad1914.com/.

this site contains a lot of interesting information .

personal experiences of former jehovah's witnesses , explanation of 607, 1914 faithful slave , and important changes in march 15th, 2015 watchtower, explained & clarified .. .

careful

Thanks for this reference, TJB. I'll have to spend some time looking it over, and thanks, Gilgamesh, for the background and info. Your experience takes me back, and your site looks insightful.

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Another Elevated Group of J.W.'s Now?

by The Searcher in

why are only pioneers allowed to do "metropolitan witnessing"?

why do they need "special training" to stand like a zombie for hours, speaking only to their fellow elite?.

even a pioneer's mother couldn't answer me!.

careful

Perhaps the cart witnessing thing has, as one motive, rewarding those who pioneer by giving them 'easy hours' to make their quota??? It's sort of like 'doorstep Bible studies', child baptism, etc., done to pad the stats??

We all remember that 'hierarchy of worthiness' that exists in the Witness world, with just being a normal publisher (shamefully) at the bottom. This 'special service' of 'Metropolitan Witnessing', like those who rate getting invited to the Annual Business Meeting, Gilead graduations, etc., will add one more rung to their already crowded hierarchic ladder. It makes the ones chosen feel even more special as well. Then it will be viewed a 'new light' and one more step in Jehovah's earthly chariot being on the move. Looking at it from an in-house perspective, it's a win-win development.