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Consolidation of Bethel Big-Wigs Now?

by The Fall Guy in

a reliable source has informed me that a bethel contact has informed them that paul gillies - a london branch committee heavyweight - is moving to warwick to join the legal department there.

anyone else aware of this?.

during the recent court case in russia, he posed for a photograph with the gb member and the rest of the wt a-team..

careful

Thank you, Dagney. That should settle the matter. He's on his way to the GB. They'll test him first to see whether he might rock the boat. If he wants the job, he'd better look very cooperative.

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2018-03-31-general data protection regulationhttps://we.tl/z1g1kyveqg2018-04-01-assisting in seldom worked territorieshttps://we.tl/vjspmlzrag2018-announcements and remindershttps://we.tl/hz9omncxib2018-consent for personal datahttps://we.tl/wnlmxqfp7n2018-instructions-for-use-of-personal-datahttps://we.tl/c1ftcszyk22018-oclam-may-7--28--answer sheethttps://we.tl/ieggkojrsyatlantis!.

careful

Thanks for these!

One statement in the consent form is intriguing:

"I consent to the use of my personal data so that I may participate in some religious activities in connection with my worship and so that I may receive spiritual support"

This seems to imply that a lack of signing will result in a lack "receiv[ing] spiritual support." What does that mean?

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Sign JW Data Protection Form Or Else!

by AverageJoe1 in

in spain (and the rest of europe), the "improved" data protection laws come into force on 25th may 2018. this is a good thing and sadly america is still lagging behind; not surprising with their current president!.

watchtower legal department are hot on the case and have instructed elders to hand out the new "release" forms out to all the publishers in their groups, whilst making it clear to them that they won't have any privileges if they refuse to do so!.

note these points in the instructions:.

careful

Thanks for the info. This has potential to open up a real can of worms. For example, could one PIMO/POMO parent or "unbelieving spouse" object to the PIMI parent signing such a statement for the couple's minor children? Could this then be used in a legal custody battle? How would family court judges view all this? Might it lead to more rights for the child to make her or her own decision in this regard?

If the org can continue to use individual people's data after such people change their minds and rescind their permission, wouldn't this be grounds for a lawsuit? I see legal issues here...

I wonder too, given the level of "competency" of so many elders, just how qualified they would be to answer reluctant publishers' questions (the org's ill-thought-out instruction "have an elder explain..."). Wouldn't they often reason from their own level of thinking and experience and say things like, "Don't worry about it. We all signed" or "Don't you want to do what the faithful slave wants?"

Loved jp1692's comment in another thread on this topic:

Publisher: "What? I don't get to have any 'privileges'?"
Elder: "That's right."
Publisher: "Thank you, thank you, thank you!"

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July 2018 WT points

by The Fall Guy in

page 16, par.

18 carefully follow the latest directions.. do we faithfully follow the latest directions that jehovah has given us?

if so, we will not rely on always doing things the way we have done them in the past.

careful

My 2¢:

Maybe Sour Grapes is right about tithing officially starting. Or possibly the GB are preparing the R&F for the coming child abuse fiasco scandal. If the local elders and even the GB start to come under widespread/heavy media scrutiny or even criminal prosecution, the GB may be preparing the R&F for viewing all this as persecution, and this higher profile "trust us" hype would have its greatest application then.

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Leaked Videos-Petra-I need help!

by Atlantis in

leaked videos.i need help with these leaked videos.

grampa has a whole stack ofthem but they need to be reduced in size.i have never seen these videos before.

some are pretty large in size,so if someone could reduce their size and get them on youtube be myguest.

careful

SBF:

candid comments are welcome, as long as they are positive.

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Ex JW Discussion Boards

by Boredposter in

jw
friends

are there any left besides this one?

or is facebook the only other gathering place?

there use to be many other entertaining boards out there with x jw's..

careful

The reddit board is still going strong.

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Anyone know of update on Delaware legal case?

by careful in

does anyone know of any updates on this case about the clergy-penitent privilege?.

https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/lawsuit-against-jehovahs-witnesses-elders-for-not-reporting-child-abuse-continues-443003903.html.

this was the latest thing (last sept.) i could find in a google search.

careful

The reason I ask this question is that I'm wondering why US law enforcement agencies haven't moved against individuals (perpetrators) within the organization for child abuse cases, given that other countries' LEA have, like Australia. Could it be that they want the courts to rule on this clergy-penitent privilege issue first? Anyone have anything to offer on this?

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Anyone know of update on Delaware legal case?

by careful in

does anyone know of any updates on this case about the clergy-penitent privilege?.

https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/lawsuit-against-jehovahs-witnesses-elders-for-not-reporting-child-abuse-continues-443003903.html.

this was the latest thing (last sept.) i could find in a google search.

careful

Does anyone know of any updates on this case about the clergy-penitent privilege?

https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Lawsuit-Against-Jehovahs-Witnesses-Elders-for-Not-Reporting-Child-Abuse-Continues-443003903.html

This was the latest thing (last Sept.) I could find in a google search.

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Help Elders poking nose in

by Formerbrother in

jw
friends

what can i do when elders want to poke their nose in?.

they want to have another chat with me and my wife, but we dont want to, it just gets us down..

careful

"they want to help and protect the congregation"

This means that you have already been marked for judicial action for the worst of sins, "apostasy." They seem interested in "saving" your wife or at least trying to determine if she also requires a JC.

The wisest course is probably just to avoid them. If you can't do that, then you must take refuge in the "I have doubts" course. That's officially acceptable, that is, not a DFable offense. The best course is, in the long term, to avoid being DFed or DAed. It will lead to greater possibilities and freedoms for you. If you get DFed or DAed, it will close multiple doors for you in the future.

Also you should not talk about your doubts/research with loyal Witnesses. That will lead to trouble for you.

If you really want to be left alone, this is the best course.

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Trey is still on top of it!

by cha ching in

there is still a chance that the watchtower files zalkin received, will surface again in the future!

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https://www.revealnews.org/blog/jehovahs-witness-abuse-files-remain-secret-after-court-settlements/.

careful

There's a lot on Trey's website other than the article linked above. For example, according to him, that Lopez lawsuit was settled for $13.5—wow! If that figure becomes the standard amount, the WTS is in deep trouble. No wonder they keep begging for money and are selling whatever they can.

https://www.revealnews.org/article/jehovahs-witnesses-use-1st-amendment-to-hide-child-sex-abuse-claims/

One reason that may be at work in why they are so intent of keeping their files secret: some of the past GB members themselves had sexual attraction to children (Greenlees? Jaracz?). Just a thought...