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  B.O.E.!

  by Atlantis in

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  boe file: (massive)language-englishzipped with separate file folders1910--2018downloadhttps://we.tl/v4e9zbinxpatlantis!.

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  Wow, 118 years' worth of letters—massive indeed.
  
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  Finland revuing JW Conscrition Exemption

  by Slidin Fast in

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  so, the ministry of defence is reviewing the legislation exempting jws from military service.

  apparently active members service is deferred every 3 years as long as they remain active.. https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/defence_ministry_reconsiders_jehovahs_witnesses_military_exemption/10148627.

  now it may be considered problematic, unconstitutional.

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  Thanks, Ernest. So did Otto Absentz get out of prison? If so, by his sentence expiring or by the Court of Appeal's decision? Do you know how long his sentence is/was?
  
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  Finland revuing JW Conscrition Exemption

  by Slidin Fast in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so, the ministry of defence is reviewing the legislation exempting jws from military service.

  apparently active members service is deferred every 3 years as long as they remain active.. https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/defence_ministry_reconsiders_jehovahs_witnesses_military_exemption/10148627.

  now it may be considered problematic, unconstitutional.

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  SF,

  Thanks for the post. The news article states that the reason for the review is that the exemption specifically for JWs was made before the present constitution came into effect. But someone had to notice the discrepancy between the old practice and the new constitution. Do you know if the the growing public profile of the org and their child abuse policies played any role in someone noticing the disparity?
  
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  GB status: raised in or converts?

  by careful in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've been trying to figure out which gb members were raised in and which were converted.

  raised in: sanderson, jackson .

  converted: herd, morris, lösch.

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  I've been trying to figure out which GB members were raised in and which were converted.

  Raised in: Sanderson, Jackson

  Converted: Herd, Morris, Lösch

  Unknown: Lett, Splane, Cook.

  Can anyone help out with the status of the last three?

  Thanks in advance.
  
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  Have Watchtower changed their polices to report to police child sex abuse?

  by pleaseresearch in

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  2. beliefs

  hi all.

  just speaking to a sister about the royal commission.. she said they they have now changed their guidelines so that they now report all to the police.. really?

  does anyone know if this is true?.

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  he New Dutch version of the Child Safeguarding Policy (March 2018) says something differentlely than the BOE Letter of September 2017.
  

  Jochie, would you like to share that with the membership here?
  
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  Can the Borg tell what sites I've been to?

  by purrpurr in

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  if i go to the jw website and then afterward to say this website, is it likely that the jw website has then tracked what websites i go to after visiting theirs?.

  i don't know how cookies work btw .

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  Use a proxy and they cannot tell where you're from.
  
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  Consolidation of Bethel Big-Wigs Now?

  by The Fall Guy in

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  a reliable source has informed me that a bethel contact has informed them that paul gillies - a london branch committee heavyweight - is moving to warwick to join the legal department there.

  anyone else aware of this?.

  during the recent court case in russia, he posed for a photograph with the gb member and the rest of the wt a-team..

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  Thank you, Dagney. That should settle the matter. He's on his way to the GB. They'll test him first to see whether he might rock the boat. If he wants the job, he'd better look very cooperative.
  
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  6-BOEs-Just Arrived!

  by Atlantis in

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  2. bible

  2018-03-31-general data protection regulationhttps://we.tl/z1g1kyveqg2018-04-01-assisting in seldom worked territorieshttps://we.tl/vjspmlzrag2018-announcements and remindershttps://we.tl/hz9omncxib2018-consent for personal datahttps://we.tl/wnlmxqfp7n2018-instructions-for-use-of-personal-datahttps://we.tl/c1ftcszyk22018-oclam-may-7--28--answer sheethttps://we.tl/ieggkojrsyatlantis!.

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  Thanks for these!

  One statement in the consent form is intriguing:

  "I consent to the use of my personal data so that I may participate in some religious activities in connection with my worship and so that I may receive spiritual support"

  This seems to imply that a lack of signing will result in a lack "receiv[ing] spiritual support." What does that mean?
  
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  Sign JW Data Protection Form Or Else!

  by AverageJoe1 in

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  2. beliefs

  in spain (and the rest of europe), the "improved" data protection laws come into force on 25th may 2018. this is a good thing and sadly america is still lagging behind; not surprising with their current president!.

  watchtower legal department are hot on the case and have instructed elders to hand out the new "release" forms out to all the publishers in their groups, whilst making it clear to them that they won't have any privileges if they refuse to do so!.

  note these points in the instructions:.

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  Thanks for the info. This has potential to open up a real can of worms. For example, could one PIMO/POMO parent or "unbelieving spouse" object to the PIMI parent signing such a statement for the couple's minor children? Could this then be used in a legal custody battle? How would family court judges view all this? Might it lead to more rights for the child to make her or her own decision in this regard?

  If the org can continue to use individual people's data after such people change their minds and rescind their permission, wouldn't this be grounds for a lawsuit? I see legal issues here...
  

  I wonder too, given the level of "competency" of so many elders, just how qualified they would be to answer reluctant publishers' questions (the org's ill-thought-out instruction "have an elder explain..."). Wouldn't they often reason from their own level of thinking and experience and say things like, "Don't worry about it. We all signed" or "Don't you want to do what the faithful slave wants?"

  Loved jp1692's comment in another thread on this topic:

  Publisher: "What? I don't get to have any 'privileges'?"

  Elder: "That's right."
  

  Publisher: "Thank you, thank you, thank you!"
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  July 2018 WT points

  by The Fall Guy in

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  page 16, par.

  18 carefully follow the latest directions.. do we faithfully follow the latest directions that jehovah has given us?

  if so, we will not rely on always doing things the way we have done them in the past.

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  My 2¢:

  Maybe Sour Grapes is right about tithing officially starting. Or possibly the GB are preparing the R&F for the coming child abuse fiasco scandal. If the local elders and even the GB start to come under widespread/heavy media scrutiny or even criminal prosecution, the GB may be preparing the R&F for viewing all this as persecution, and this higher profile "trust us" hype would have its greatest application then.