Posts by careful

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New kingdom hall Washington State

by Are you serious in

yesterday i drove passed a town a couple of hours from my home and saw this kh under construction.

this is the first new design kh i've seen in washington state even though i would think by now another one or two have been built.

maybe not with their financial situation being the way it is.

careful

Morph,

Thanks for your research and bringing together all those SBF posts. It must have taken you some time. Yes, the little vid was funny.

As for the OP here, that KH design was approved 3 or so years ago for use all over the USA for all new KHs. It is pretty abysmal, but it may indeed be looking forward to resale, as several posters here have said. It may also be to scare active R&F into submission during the consolidation period still going on. "Do what we say or you'll wind up meeting in one of the new KHs. Do you want that?"

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What's the difference between a Christian and a JW?

by nowwhat? in

christians look to jesus as the redeeemer of mankind.. jw's look to jesus as the executioner of mankind!.

careful

I once heard a religious studies professor (who felt JWs were part of Christianity) at a large university put the difference this way:

"Mainstream Christians are Christ-oriented. JWs are Father-oriented."

Simple and to the point.

BTW he himself was Eastern Orthodox, and no, it wasn't David Bentley Hart.

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Welcoming Our Latest JW Apologist JTrottigy

by pale.emperor in

i'd like to take this opportunity to warmly welcome our newest jw apologist jtrottigy.

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he'll likely only be here for a few days like most jw defenders before he runs away when presented with his own doctrine.. so far he's already said some hilarious stuff, like "there's no such thing as nepotism in jehovah's organisation", "confidentiality is paramount to elders" and, my personal favourite "the overlapping generation is so simple to understand".. yh don't think i don't remember you from jwtalk..

careful

PE, if he is a troll, you've played right into his hands with this post!

I wonder that since he's been recently approved for the carts, as he says, whether coming here is a way to bolster his FS time.

Or maybe deep down he is having his doubts and his posts are really a defensive reaction or overcompensation (he is grossly overconfident). In that case, he may come around to seeing the org's corruption by responses here.

Maybe he's just a WT newbie and hasn't seen the corruption yet.

Time will tell...

As for needing cart training: of course there is!

First, one must be trained how to deal with the following situation (doubtless attacks from the devil—remember dogs were unclean in ancient Judaism), recently increasing in frequency:

Then one must trained in the proper behavior for effectiveness when working the carts:

(Both pics taken from previous posts here.)

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JW broadcasting July 2018

by dozy in

just skimmed through the latest broadcast.

( yes - i know , i should really get a life!

a lot of it seems to be regurgitated videos from previous months.

careful

SBF

Interesting that they are reusing video material

It's just taking the old procedure of regurgitating in-print material from previous in-print publications and applying it to the new electronic medium. Ray Franz in CofC, I think, discusses how writers were assigned a topic and they just found an old WT or Awake! mag that discussed the matter and reused it. New medium, same old policy.

Is Watchtower actually producing any new stuff these days?

Didn't Ray Franz say that the old Aid book was different, that he was told not to "contaminate" it with stuff from the old WT lit. but to make it new? If so, and counting in things like the Commentary on James written by someone else from the same period who was excommunicated, has there been anything really "new" since those days?

The ID of the F&DS as the GB, the jettisoning of anti-types, and the harebrained "overlapping generations" seem about it. Haven't there been some odd tweakings of the 1914-1919 period and what certain things were supposed to mean too?

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Female JW parking "attendants"

by neat blue dog in

i was shocked recently to see on social media a couple pictures of jw sisters at a convention working as parking "attendants".

i put that title in quotation marks because they still don't get the official attendant badge like the male parking attendants do, only the reflective vest.

has anybody else heard of this .

careful

My reaction, for years, is that its a totally unnecessary job. People park every day without someone pointing... its amazing
Yes, or even with four brothers pointing every ten feet...... that always irritated me......

Yes, but in this way you are reminded of their C-O-N-T-R-O-L.

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Kingdom Hall a total loss after 2nd fire in months

by Tahoe in

jw
friends

https://q13fox.com/2018/07/03/2nd-fire-this-year-at-olympia-jehovahs-witness-kingdom-hall/.

olympia, wash. -- authorities are investigating the second fire in a matter of months at a jehovah's witness kingdom hall in olympia.. the fire started just after 3:00 a.m. at cain rd se and 22nd se, according to the olympia fire department.

nobody was inside at the time.. roads near the building were shut down as firefighters investigated.

careful

Thanks.

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Why didn't I leave back then???

by silentbuddha in

sunday my old bethel roommate came up to visit me.

he left a couple years ago and he wanted to catch up and reminisce.. while we sat back remembering crazy things we saw take place at bethel he reminded me of a creepy instance with bro.

swingell.. it was a saturday morning and we decided to actually go get breakfast.

careful

sparky1: "Lyman Swingle swore like a pirate. The language he used would get any other rank and file Witness disfellowshipped. I still liked him, though."

silentbuddha: "was it just me or did it seem that brothers who were known as "heavy" often curse and do things that would shock people just for the fun of it[?] I remember Br. Sydlik used to use foul language on a regular basis as well."

Is it without point that in his CofC book Ray Franz portrays both Swingle and Sydlik as liberals who shared his viewpoints on matters that came before the GB and in running the org? They liked to side with Ray in discussions and voting.

This has got to be connected…somehow…

In the highest echelons of WT land, swearing makes one liberal! Or liberals like to swear at Bethel. Hmmmm…

SB, you have begun a thread that has generated considerable response, like SBF's or those of Leolaia in days past. Congrats!

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Archbisop jailed in Australia

by zeb in

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-03/archbishop-wilson-sentenced/9883610.

careful

The article says the sentence is to 12 months of home detention, not jail, and that some of the victims were disappointed in that.

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There is Important Dutch News: majority in Dutch Parliament require an investigation into child abuse within JWs

by AndersonsInfo in

there is important dutch news: majority in dutch parliament require an investigation into child abuse within jwshttp://translate.google.com/translate?u=https://www.rtlnieuws.nl/nederland/politiek/tweede-kamer-eist-onafhankelijk-onderzoek-naar-misbruik-jehovahs-getuigen&hl=en&langpair=auto%7cen&tbb=1&ie=utf-8.

the lower house requires independent investigation into abuse of jehovah's witnesses .

june 28, 2018 18:56 .

careful

redpilltwice said:

They even had a visit from a governing body member to inform them about the matter.

Whoever came out probably reinforced that "we are under attack from the wild beast. The end is near. Do whatever we say. Obey and be blessed." It would be interesting to know just how many Dutch Witnesses believe that line and how many are dubious about it and know of the coverup.

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A Message to Active Elders Lurking on JWN

by 00DAD in

there are really only a couple of reasons an active elder would be lurking here on jwn.. .

[if !supportlists]i. your ever growing doubts about the organization have led you here, or.

[if !supportlists]ii.

careful

I'll bite on this old post. How many remember committeechairman, so active here for several years? He used to say that he came here to get the inside story, that org news would be "published" here even before he got official word from inside the org.

To refresh anyone's memory:

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/250543/committee-chairman-tell-us-about-yourself

Unfortunately he hasn't posted much any more since his family and life fell apart—so sad. His last post was 3 months ago and he was contemplating suicide:

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5691345235607552/how-precious-governing-body-mole-double-agent-5th-colunm-sabatoge-watchtower-organization

I guess I should PM him.

Anyway, he is testimony that elders do come here while still in with inquisitive motives and who are quite awake to the org's corruption.