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  JW's Would Stay With The Org Even If 1914 Was Dropped

  by pale.emperor in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i asked the question on quora: .

  if the governing body abandoned the 1914 teaching, would you leave jehovah's witnesses or you would remain a member regardless?.

  https://www.quora.com/if-the-governing-body-abandoned-the-1914-teaching-would-you-leave-jehovahs-witnesses-or-you-would-remain-a-member-regardless.

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  Good OP, PE!
  
  StarryNight9's words nicely summarize the difference in GB I and GB II's thinking:
  
  "'obey even if it makes no sense' rather than 'we'll prove we're right'."
  
  The old GB at least used to try, however feebly, to justify their beliefs. Today's GB in their self-produced high profile, doesn't even try. It's just "obey and be blessed."
  
  In response to the thread's topic, few would leave if they dropped 1914 and few would care about the associated 1918/1919 dates. If some on the GB started sporting beards, THAT would cause a much bigger ruckus than changing 1914.
  
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  Kingdom Hall Closures In Canada.

  by Lost in the fog in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  one of our friends in canada posted the following message to their circle of friends.

  "in our meeting last night, the coordinator read a letter from the canadian branch about the reorganized territories.

  all the territories in the fraser valley from hope to vancouver, about a hundred miles in all, have been reorganized to create larger congregations and improve the use of kingdom halls.

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  neat blue dog:

  It's taking place in Germany too.

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5420862749540352/germany-321-congregations-dissolved-merged
  
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  Letter to elders: Say what brothers?

  by pixel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  to all bodies of elders .

  re: audio at sign-language meetings .

  dear brothers: .

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  careful

  Excuse my ignorance but what is a "pregroup"? Is that like preexistence or pre-ephemeral?

  The ref. to "the audio track" makes me wonder what the audio was on that anti-masturbation video they had a few years back for the deaf. I guess there wasn't one.

  ""Deaf publishers usually have no complaints about the audio playing" REALLY????" Spot on, Pixel!
  
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  Any word yet on the Annual Meeting?

  by careful in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it's just a week or two away and still no sign of the usual hype?

  very strange.... anyone heard anything about it?

  perhaps from those still in to some degree or from relatives/friends still in?.

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  careful

  you can get all kinds of doofy-ass ideas (up to and including utter cluelessness) when you surround yourself completely with people who are never allowed to even disagree with you, let alone tell you something that might make you upset.

  Vidiot, precious!
  
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  JWs using 'apostate' phraseology?

  by neat blue dog in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've mentioned before how a regular pioneer used the phrases "tight-pants tony" and "don't drink the kool-aid".

  well the other week, a different regular pioneer, and elderly one in fact, was talking about the simplified watchtower being discontinued and the normal one replacing it, and she said 'i guess they're just gonna dumb-down everything'.

  then too even the org itself used the words "fade" and "shun" in recent articles, words that were previously shied away from.. anybody here experienced something similar, a seeming pimi saying something that makes you wonder if they've been sneaking ex-jw 'spiritual food' on the side?.

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  Although, come to think of it, the word "physically" might stump a few modern readers!

  They are more likely to say "fleshly in"!
  
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  Any word yet on the Annual Meeting?

  by careful in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it's just a week or two away and still no sign of the usual hype?

  very strange.... anyone heard anything about it?

  perhaps from those still in to some degree or from relatives/friends still in?.

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  SBF's wishful thinking:

  Maybe there is some sort of crisis going on at the headquarters and things are falling apart quicker than we expected.
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  Montana jury awards two women $35M in sex abuse lawsuit against Jehovah's Witnesses

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  https://missoulian.com/news/local/montana-jury-awards-two-women-m-in-sex-abuse-lawsuit/article_1bcabb7c-7381-574b-a2ba-e011cc0250a6.html.

  montana jury awards two women $35m in sex abuse lawsuit against jehovah's witnesses .

  a jury in northwestern montana awarded two women $35 million wednesday in their lawsuit against the local jehovah’s witnesses congregation and its worldwide headquarters.. .

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  LHG,

  "All the stalwart JWs still sitting there (who have two brain cells left to rub together) have to be absolutely nauseous from it all."

  From what I hear and have seen, unfortunately but also rather expectedly, many R&F are just digging their pro-org heels in deeper, even to the point of being more irrational than ever. "How dare you bring that subject up!" "I won't listen to this! Stop!" "You don't know what you're talking about." "Of course it's slander. Consider the source. The media belongs to Satan's world, right?"

  There will be those, however, who will begin to break down under the barrage of media coverage, but it will surely be a minority. I'm reminded of one account in Ray Franz's book where an elder on a JC said something like, "If the GB tells me that this book cover is red when I always saw it as green, I'll just have to adjust my thinking and say, 'Well, I always thought it was green, but now I know it's red.'"

  But I think you are right. There are some who must be suspicious that where there is smoke, there's fire. They know that there are some facts, some truth, behind all the org's denials and bravado. Some victimized sisters who have stayed in know full well how wrong the treatment they received was, and those other sisters to whom they confided know as well. That may well be a pot that is yet to hit the boiling point.
  

  It will be interesting to see how this all plays out.
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  Montana jury awards two women $35M in sex abuse lawsuit against Jehovah's Witnesses

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  https://missoulian.com/news/local/montana-jury-awards-two-women-m-in-sex-abuse-lawsuit/article_1bcabb7c-7381-574b-a2ba-e011cc0250a6.html.

  montana jury awards two women $35m in sex abuse lawsuit against jehovah's witnesses .

  a jury in northwestern montana awarded two women $35 million wednesday in their lawsuit against the local jehovah’s witnesses congregation and its worldwide headquarters.. .

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  Thanks for the info. The developments and fallout will be interesting to follow.
  
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  Germany- 321 Congregations Dissolved/Merged...

  by Newly Enlightened in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  the german government requires watchtower to publish their own demise.

  any changes to congregations has to be published on their website.. https://www.jehovaszeugen.de/amtsblatt.44.0.html .

  since 2006 321 congregations have been dissolved and merged into others.

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  Thx for the info. It would be interesting to see similar stats from other countries that in the past were "success stories" but have had similar downturns like Mexico and Japan.

  But Corney, what was the status of those newly created congs? Were they examples of a "new" cong C formed from the now defunct congs A and B? Or maybe a cong D formed from old congs A, B, and C? Could they be at least partly because of immigration, a huge issue in Germany? How can one know such details? New names could reflect the changing realities of territorial adjustments or just a broader geographical name that encompasses more area. Who knows?
  
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  Any word yet on the Annual Meeting?

  by careful in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it's just a week or two away and still no sign of the usual hype?

  very strange.... anyone heard anything about it?

  perhaps from those still in to some degree or from relatives/friends still in?.

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  It's just a week or two away and still no sign of the usual hype? Very strange...
  

  Anyone heard anything about it? Perhaps from those still in to some degree or from relatives/friends still in?