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  Commuter Bethelite video

  by no-zombie in

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  2. beliefs

  for those who missed last weeks clam meeting, there was a video played that was amazing ... however not in good way.. we are all aware how thousands of full time bethelites world wide got the boot and put out onto the street.

  some having giving most of their lives to the organization, but often with no real way to support themselves other than to depend on the generosity of others.

  so when this video talked about how special it would be for those who could step up and become a commuter bethelite, it made me think how calculating the governing body must be.

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  NZ: Thanks for the post.

  DS: Is this a rumor or do you have a reliable source you can share on the McKinsey consulting thing?
  
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  Netherlands branch raided by police for pedophile records

  by krismalone in

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  2. scandals

  https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2018/12/police-raid-jehovahs-witness-buildings-in-sexual-abuse-inquiries/

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  Thanks for the info! I'm sure they will try to cover up their past blunders in this regard by pointing to more recent, changed policies. Let's see if the Dutch government officials can see past that smokescreen.

  I really had to laugh (sadly, of course) when Dekker said "that the [JW] church should look to the example of the Catholic church to dealing with complaints about sexual abuse." Fat chance of that!

  
  
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  Canada, Quebec: a lawsuit will soon begin against the Watchtower

  by yalbmert99 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  yesterday, there was a court sitiing before the pedophilia lawsuit really starts in quebec(canada) on december 17-18, when it will be presented to the court for acceptance.

  see article in french:.

  https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/justice-et-faits-divers/actualites-judiciaires/201811/28/01-5205878-les-temoins-de-jehovah-defendent-leur-traitement-des-cas-dagressions-sexuelles.php.

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  Thanks for the update. Please keep us posted.
  
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  What would make an Ex-Jw go back to been a full in Baptized JW

  by LOLS in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i was just wondering , why would my jw husband return to been a full blown baptized jw after 20 years of fading?.

  he has spent 20 years of his life been a worldly person , with a worldly wife & kids & worldly friends .... to joining the borg full time , to getting baptized , to getting new brothers & sisters .... and to writing off most of his worldly friends (some his known his whole life ) , to trying to convince me & our children how wonderful this org is ......and anyone else who will listen :(.

  has anyone ever experienced this ...... oh and he seems to be in it 110% and no-one can say anything about this crazy org or show him proof that it all bs...... his such a clever independent , successful guy , why on earth would he go back to this , after been out for so many years & change into this domineering , opinionated fool ..... oh and his entire family also went back ... father , mother , brother & sister .

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  PE:

  The only thing that would make me go back is a lobotomy.

  Now I've heard of these rogue surgeons ... want their address?
  
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  Serious Problems Between Elders

  by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  ever encountered or eyewitnessed problems escalating, arguements and rows between elders right at the kh anyone?.

  one such experience was just before the meeting was about to start,we heard raised voices from the second room between two elders.

  a minute later two other elders went into the room and we could all hear that they were trying to cool the situation down with whatever was going on in there.

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  Such loud disagreements in elder meetings is not at all rare, unless you're in a cong with a BOE that really gets along (itself pretty rare). I know one bro who used to just start praying out loud, right in the boiling elder meetings to calm the others down.

  jp1692's comment above that they are just people too is spot on. The accounts at Acts 15:37-39 and Gal. 2:11-14 show that it went on in the first century among the leaders there too.
  
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  Crazy ass cart witnessing!

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i know i know we have all read about it but my mom goes out in service to this crazy cart witnessing crap.

  so they go sit by the cart for a half hour then they get back into the car to warm up and the next two sisters take over for a half hours etc.

  but then there is at least one brother siting in his car to watch and over see the sisters so he can be like their security.

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  Although it might sound a bit bizarre to those of us who were in years ago, I have heard from several of those still in that a new philosophy is afoot, and it would explain the cart phenomenon as part of this new "big picture." Given how much things have changed in recent years from what we were used to, it might be worthy of consideration. I don't know if I'd call it a rumor. Perhaps more of an undercurrent would be fitting.
  

  The cart witnessing is just another manifestation of the new GB belief that enough future growth will come simply by being physically visible, thru good press, being "better recognized" as one (of course, in Witness eyes the true) alternative to Christianity which will find ample growth through being publicly accepted and from family members who stay in.

  I admit that at first, I thought this was absurd. But then I thought, "Well, there have been all these bizarre changes that I never thought I'd see." Their "music" has hit new lows and is "worldly" according to the way such music was viewed when I was in. They've gone in wholesale for the digital broadcasting thing, electronic media, etc., something they used to vilify as Satanic because of apostates and porn, and make fun of as part of "Christendom." Their revised NWT is much closer now to the RSV, NIV, and so forth. Meeting in private homes has been given the axe so that meetings only take place at the public KH (= church to a newbie). This list could go on.

  We, as independent thinkers, will of course see all sorts of holes in such thinking. We will say things like, "Right, good press! Like the child abuse scandal, the blood issue, and shunning!" And we will look at the downturn in growth in Western lands and laugh at such a notion as ample growth thru public recognition. "Like people would want to give up the holidays—right!" But it's good to remember how illogical Witness thinking is. They are prime candidates for buying in to the above new belief system.

  Has anyone else heard of this undercurrent? Your thoughts?
  
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  Canada, Quebec: a lawsuit will soon begin against the Watchtower

  by yalbmert99 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  yesterday, there was a court sitiing before the pedophilia lawsuit really starts in quebec(canada) on december 17-18, when it will be presented to the court for acceptance.

  see article in french:.

  https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/justice-et-faits-divers/actualites-judiciaires/201811/28/01-5205878-les-temoins-de-jehovah-defendent-leur-traitement-des-cas-dagressions-sexuelles.php.

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  Thanks for the post. This needs to be followed.
  
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  Why does WT rarely reference creationist scientist?

  by Sanchy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in watching the latest video in the series "was it designed?

  " at tv-dot-jw-dot-org, i got to wondering why is it that watchtower hardly references scientist that are creationist.

  i know its only a minority from that group, but there are enough out there for them to reference from.

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  Another, perhaps overlooked factor, is that some Writing Department brother once quoted such a creationist in an article that made it into publication, Jerry Bergman. Bergman is an ex-Witness who is highly critical of the org, and quoting such ones in the publications is real no-no. Oops!

  But I think the other comments above are on the mark. Org policy has long been to distinguish themselves from, and be independent of, the churches as much as possible, and creationists are major Fundamentalists. It's like the org's reluctance to use terms like "New Testament" and "the afterlife." They'll use them rarely for the benefit of non-believers, but generally avoid them in order to be different.

  OGTG and RB: agreed!
  
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  Selling off those Kingdom Halls.

  by Lost in the fog in

  1. social
  2. current

  the value of the property if sold will no doubt will return to the governing body.

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  https://www.cowichanvalleycitizen.com/news/dont-choose-hall-on-a-whim-town-lake-cowichan-cao-warns/ .

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  Worked fine for me. This place is in BC, Canada.
  
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  Ken Cook's Biography

  by Iamallcool in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-study-january-2019/new-member-governing-body/ .

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  A tiny blurb indeed, totally lacking depth. So then it fits right in with the current the current GB and their mindset.