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  Typical Antitypical and 1914

  by Finally Left in

  1. watchtower
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  could someone help me with this question please as it has been on my mind for sometime.

  watchtower comes along and changes the typical anti typical beliefs and with a stroke of the pen eliminates years of books and teachings.

  why does this not apply to 1914?

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  AorN,

  he holds the view that as the light gets brighter it gets more simple

  Yeah, because the current leaders are so simple!
  
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  JW GoneBad, LV101, Saltheart - Thank You!

  by Atlantis in

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  2. friends

  we thank you so much for thinking of us and showing concern.

  this means a lot to us and we appreciate your kindness.. we have been here, but we have been contacting ones here on the board privately.

  when new materials arrive we sign in and distribute the documents to those that show interest.

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  Atlantis,

  Thanks so much for the recent links. I wondered what had happened to you. Your informative posts are always welcome.

  I DLed the directories and looked them over. I don't suppose you have anything for NY that's more current, beyond the 2015 one? It looks like that latest one was put together while some were already up constructing at Warwick but most had not yet moved there. I looked at several names I knew when I was in to see if they're still there. I noticed that in 2015 David Ianelli was listed as working in the Writing Dept. (his work extension is close to others in the WD in number sequence) but there was no residence room phone number or room location. I suppose then that he must have been living elsewhere and commuting in. Do you or anyone else know what the story is here? Did he make the move to Warwick?
  

  I also see that Geoffrey Jackson's wife's name is Loraini (same shared residence room phone number), so statements/posts made here about him having married are now confirmed.

  There's a lot to be learned from these lists.

  
  
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  Name of the fictional "Novel" published by jf Rutherford

  by NikL in

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  2. friends

  well i consider all of his books fictional but that's another story :-).

  a while back i read about a novel that i understood was published by wt and there was some sort of connection with da judge.. i remember i found it online and was going to look through it but never got the chance.. now i can't find it and for the life of me i can't remember the name of it or the author.. unfortunately, google isn't helping.. it was about life before the flood.. anyone able to help?.

  thanks in advance.

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  A post here from a few years ago stated that GB member Sam Herd positively referred to this book in a talk he gave. There were two links to that talk but they've now died.

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/188233/gb-samuel-herd-on-angels-women
  

  Too bad. The past intellectual poster and researcher here Leolaia posted more info about this book on the OP too.
  
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  Typical Antitypical and 1914

  by Finally Left in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  could someone help me with this question please as it has been on my mind for sometime.

  watchtower comes along and changes the typical anti typical beliefs and with a stroke of the pen eliminates years of books and teachings.

  why does this not apply to 1914?

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  careful

  What am I missing?

  Hopefully this will help:
  

  The policy of doing something so theologically radical as wiping out the type/anti-type theology that had reigned under Fred Franz for decades but not thinking out the consequences (= replacing it with something else) just points out, yet again, the severe mental limitations of the current GB. Their doctrinal "expert" is David Splane, who is certainly no Fred Franz in the brain department.

  But they seem to understand that such things as logical thinking really do not matter. They've got a captive audience of millions who will just do whatever they are told, believe whatever they are told, and so on. Why bother with logic?
  
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  The Baptist Churches Turn.

  by Lost in the fog in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  it's the turn of the american baptist churches to come under scrutiny now.

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  https://www.texasstandard.org/stories/star-telegram-uncovers-hundreds-of-sexual-abuse-cases-in-fundamentalist-baptist-churches/.

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  Thanks for the post. Some parallels with the org (fear-based), some not (summer camps).
  
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  Abuse Survivor's $4M Judgment Against Jehovah's Witness Umbrella Organization Upheld by Court 12/10/18

  by Not_Culty in

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  2. child-abuse

  https://www.law.com/newyorklawjournal/2018/12/10/court-upholds-abuse-survivors-4m-judgement-against-jehovahs-witness-umbrella-organization-389-52222/?slreturn=20181111101406.

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  Here's the article. I got it in a separate google search and got around paying for it.

  From the legal journal The Recorder:

  
  Abuse Survivor's $4M Judgment Against
  Jehovah's Witness Umbrella Organization
  Upheld by Court

  By Ross Todd | December 10, 2018 at 07:00 PM

  A California appellate court has upheld a $4-plus million judgment against Watchtower
  Bible and Tract Society of New York Inc., the top organizational body of Jehovah’s
  Witnesses, in a case brought by a woman who alleges she was molested as a child by
  a church elder in 2006.

  The ruling from the Fourth District Court of Appeal leaves in place terminating sanctions
  and a $4,016,152.39 judgment after Watchtower refused to hand over a trove of
  documents it received in response to a 1997 letter sent to Jehovah’s Witness
  congregations concerning known molesters in the church.

  The underlying case was brought on behalf of J.W., who was molested by Gilbert
  Simental, with whom she and her family attended the Mountain View Jehovah’s Witness
  congregation. J.W. contends that her family wouldn’t have allowed her to attend a
  slumber party at Simental’s house but for his service as an elder in the church, the
  highest authority at the congregational level of the organization. Simental was found
  guilty in two criminal cases of molesting J.W. and two other anonymous victims.

  J.W.’s lawyers at The Zalkin Law Firm and Pine Freeman Tillett had argued before the
  trial court the responses to the 1997 letter were relevant to her case because they could
  establish the church’s duty to protect children like her and to investigate Simental. They
  argued that the documents were needed for her negligence-based causes of action,
  and they were relevant to her punitive damages claim.

  In turn, the Watchtower’s lawyers at Clark Hill in Los Angeles initially had argued that
  the documents were protected by clergy-penitent privilege. After that privilege argument
  was turned back, they claimed that terminating sanctions were too extreme a remedy
  because the documents only applied to the punitive damages portion of the case.

  But the trial court sided with J.W. and awarded her $3 million for pain and suffering; $1
  million for future medical expenses; and $16,152.39 for costs.

  On appeal, Watchtower’s lawyers argued that J.W. hadn’t alleged that there was a lack
  of proximate cause between its actions and her injury, particularly since she was
  molested outside of church grounds and at an event that wasn’t church-sanctioned. But
  the Fourth District on Monday found that in a negligent hiring or retention case the focus
  should be on Watchtower’s actions and the risk of molestation that it “allegedly
  knowingly created.”

  “J.W. sufficiently alleged that Watchtower was responsible for Simental being in a
  position of authority within the church by alleging that Watchtower is the ultimate
  authority in the Jehovah’s Witness Church,” wrote Justice Douglas Miller in a 44-page
  opinion.

  Miller wrote that Watchtower’s warnings that the case would “open the litigation
  floodgates” was misplaced since proximate cause would be decided “on a case-by-case
  basis.”

  Watchtower’s lawyer, Richard Nakamura of Clark Hill, didn’t respond to an email
  seeking comment.

  J.W.’s attorney, Devin Storey of the Zalkin Law Firm, said that it was important the court
  found proximate cause “as long as there’s some kind of nexus to the defendant and to
  the defendant’s business.”

  Storey noted that he and his firm have litigated over the 1997 documents in two prior
  cases that have gone to the Court of Appeal and that highly redacted copies of some of
  the material have been handed over in a fourth case currently pending in Orange
  County.

  “We litigate cases of sexual abuse all day, every day,” he said of his firm. “I’ve never
  had a defendant other than Watchtower tell a court point blank, ‘I won’t comply.’”

  “Affirmatively understanding the order and saying ‘I’m not going to do it.’ … That’s not
  something I ever see.”
  
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  Caleb and Sophia app?!?!?

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  wtf???

  i didn’t know this was a thing.

  is someone making significant money from this?

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  The always-savvy GB (cough!) has ventured out into the electronic world, embracing it in their broadcasts and transitioning over from print media—they've got to expect and live with this sort of entrepreneurship: "rogue" Witnesses who will do these things. Such things are hard to control. We can compare those who have evidently begun making a living (a killing?) from selling JW (.org) jewelry, mementos, etc. The R&F will lap these things up, even if they're not officially sponsored by the org.
  
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  How would you reason with a JW that it is okay to say Good Luck?

  by Iamallcool in

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  any takers?.

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  "How would you reason with a JW"—about anything? That notion has the premise that you can reason with them. Isn't that a false premise? They only recognize their own authority.

  "At least we can try!" Well, if you're into frustration and wasting your time, have at it. Most here have other ways to spend their limited amount of time.
  
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  Commuter Bethelite video

  by no-zombie in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for those who missed last weeks clam meeting, there was a video played that was amazing ... however not in good way.. we are all aware how thousands of full time bethelites world wide got the boot and put out onto the street.

  some having giving most of their lives to the organization, but often with no real way to support themselves other than to depend on the generosity of others.

  so when this video talked about how special it would be for those who could step up and become a commuter bethelite, it made me think how calculating the governing body must be.

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  NZ: Thanks for the post.

  DS: Is this a rumor or do you have a reliable source you can share on the McKinsey consulting thing?
  
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  Netherlands branch raided by police for pedophile records

  by krismalone in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2018/12/police-raid-jehovahs-witness-buildings-in-sexual-abuse-inquiries/

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  Thanks for the info! I'm sure they will try to cover up their past blunders in this regard by pointing to more recent, changed policies. Let's see if the Dutch government officials can see past that smokescreen.

  I really had to laugh (sadly, of course) when Dekker said "that the [JW] church should look to the example of the Catholic church to dealing with complaints about sexual abuse." Fat chance of that!