Posts by careful

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Archaeologists discover ancient 4,400-year-old tomb decorated with hieroglyphs in Egypt

by naja in

how could this survive noah's flood?.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/archaeologists-discover-ancient-4400-year-13737092.

Question—does anyone know...?

by careful in

most here are familiar with the history of the child abuse issue.

one past policy the org had was forbidding parents to report the child abuser to police or warn other parents in the congregation of the abuser.

they used to threaten dfing if such parents disobeyed the org in this matter.

Most here are familiar with the history of the child abuse issue. One past policy the org had was forbidding parents to report the child abuser to police or warn other parents in the congregation of the abuser. They used to threaten DFing if such parents disobeyed the org in this matter. That may have worked with most married couples who were both in the org, but what about the case of an abused child whose mom was in but whose dad was not? Would not in all likelihood the husband/father has been rightly pissed off that "Bro. Abuser" was not brought before the law because of his wife's crazy religion?

I find it difficult to believe that this never occurred somewhere. Surely it must have. So does anyone know what was done in such cases? Was the sister counseled to keep knowledge of the abuse from her unbelieving husband? The victim too? Did the elders try to talk the husband/father out of going to the cops? What happened?

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Typical Antitypical and 1914

by Finally Left in

could someone help me with this question please as it has been on my mind for sometime.

watchtower comes along and changes the typical anti typical beliefs and with a stroke of the pen eliminates years of books and teachings.

why does this not apply to 1914?

careful

johnamos,

Yes, that's the kind of thing I meant when I said that the new GB don't think things out. They make a major doctrinal change without even considering such notions as future potential problems with their new view or interpretation. Duhhhh!

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Typical Antitypical and 1914

by Finally Left in

could someone help me with this question please as it has been on my mind for sometime.

watchtower comes along and changes the typical anti typical beliefs and with a stroke of the pen eliminates years of books and teachings.

why does this not apply to 1914?

careful

AorN,

he holds the view that as the light gets brighter it gets more simple

Yeah, because the current leaders are so simple!

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JW GoneBad, LV101, Saltheart - Thank You!

by Atlantis in

jw
friends

we thank you so much for thinking of us and showing concern.

this means a lot to us and we appreciate your kindness.. we have been here, but we have been contacting ones here on the board privately.

when new materials arrive we sign in and distribute the documents to those that show interest.

careful

Atlantis,

Thanks so much for the recent links. I wondered what had happened to you. Your informative posts are always welcome.

I DLed the directories and looked them over. I don't suppose you have anything for NY that's more current, beyond the 2015 one? It looks like that latest one was put together while some were already up constructing at Warwick but most had not yet moved there. I looked at several names I knew when I was in to see if they're still there. I noticed that in 2015 David Ianelli was listed as working in the Writing Dept. (his work extension is close to others in the WD in number sequence) but there was no residence room phone number or room location. I suppose then that he must have been living elsewhere and commuting in. Do you or anyone else know what the story is here? Did he make the move to Warwick?

I also see that Geoffrey Jackson's wife's name is Loraini (same shared residence room phone number), so statements/posts made here about him having married are now confirmed.

There's a lot to be learned from these lists.

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Name of the fictional "Novel" published by jf Rutherford

by NikL in

jw
friends

well i consider all of his books fictional but that's another story :-).

a while back i read about a novel that i understood was published by wt and there was some sort of connection with da judge.. i remember i found it online and was going to look through it but never got the chance.. now i can't find it and for the life of me i can't remember the name of it or the author.. unfortunately, google isn't helping.. it was about life before the flood.. anyone able to help?.

thanks in advance.

careful

A post here from a few years ago stated that GB member Sam Herd positively referred to this book in a talk he gave. There were two links to that talk but they've now died.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/188233/gb-samuel-herd-on-angels-women

Too bad. The past intellectual poster and researcher here Leolaia posted more info about this book on the OP too.

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Typical Antitypical and 1914

by Finally Left in

could someone help me with this question please as it has been on my mind for sometime.

watchtower comes along and changes the typical anti typical beliefs and with a stroke of the pen eliminates years of books and teachings.

why does this not apply to 1914?

careful

What am I missing?

Hopefully this will help:

The policy of doing something so theologically radical as wiping out the type/anti-type theology that had reigned under Fred Franz for decades but not thinking out the consequences (= replacing it with something else) just points out, yet again, the severe mental limitations of the current GB. Their doctrinal "expert" is David Splane, who is certainly no Fred Franz in the brain department.

But they seem to understand that such things as logical thinking really do not matter. They've got a captive audience of millions who will just do whatever they are told, believe whatever they are told, and so on. Why bother with logic?

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The Baptist Churches Turn.

by Lost in the fog in

it's the turn of the american baptist churches to come under scrutiny now.

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https://www.texasstandard.org/stories/star-telegram-uncovers-hundreds-of-sexual-abuse-cases-in-fundamentalist-baptist-churches/.

careful

Thanks for the post. Some parallels with the org (fear-based), some not (summer camps).

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Abuse Survivor's $4M Judgment Against Jehovah's Witness Umbrella Organization Upheld by Court 12/10/18

by Not_Culty in

https://www.law.com/newyorklawjournal/2018/12/10/court-upholds-abuse-survivors-4m-judgement-against-jehovahs-witness-umbrella-organization-389-52222/?slreturn=20181111101406.

careful

Here's the article. I got it in a separate google search and got around paying for it.

From the legal journal The Recorder:

Abuse Survivor's $4M Judgment Against
Jehovah's Witness Umbrella Organization
Upheld by Court

By Ross Todd | December 10, 2018 at 07:00 PM

A California appellate court has upheld a $4-plus million judgment against Watchtower
Bible and Tract Society of New York Inc., the top organizational body of Jehovah’s
Witnesses, in a case brought by a woman who alleges she was molested as a child by
a church elder in 2006.

The ruling from the Fourth District Court of Appeal leaves in place terminating sanctions
and a $4,016,152.39 judgment after Watchtower refused to hand over a trove of
documents it received in response to a 1997 letter sent to Jehovah’s Witness
congregations concerning known molesters in the church.

The underlying case was brought on behalf of J.W., who was molested by Gilbert
Simental, with whom she and her family attended the Mountain View Jehovah’s Witness
congregation. J.W. contends that her family wouldn’t have allowed her to attend a
slumber party at Simental’s house but for his service as an elder in the church, the
highest authority at the congregational level of the organization. Simental was found
guilty in two criminal cases of molesting J.W. and two other anonymous victims.

J.W.’s lawyers at The Zalkin Law Firm and Pine Freeman Tillett had argued before the
trial court the responses to the 1997 letter were relevant to her case because they could
establish the church’s duty to protect children like her and to investigate Simental. They
argued that the documents were needed for her negligence-based causes of action,
and they were relevant to her punitive damages claim.

In turn, the Watchtower’s lawyers at Clark Hill in Los Angeles initially had argued that
the documents were protected by clergy-penitent privilege. After that privilege argument
was turned back, they claimed that terminating sanctions were too extreme a remedy
because the documents only applied to the punitive damages portion of the case.

But the trial court sided with J.W. and awarded her $3 million for pain and suffering; $1
million for future medical expenses; and $16,152.39 for costs.

On appeal, Watchtower’s lawyers argued that J.W. hadn’t alleged that there was a lack
of proximate cause between its actions and her injury, particularly since she was
molested outside of church grounds and at an event that wasn’t church-sanctioned. But
the Fourth District on Monday found that in a negligent hiring or retention case the focus
should be on Watchtower’s actions and the risk of molestation that it “allegedly
knowingly created.”

“J.W. sufficiently alleged that Watchtower was responsible for Simental being in a
position of authority within the church by alleging that Watchtower is the ultimate
authority in the Jehovah’s Witness Church,” wrote Justice Douglas Miller in a 44-page
opinion.

Miller wrote that Watchtower’s warnings that the case would “open the litigation
floodgates” was misplaced since proximate cause would be decided “on a case-by-case
basis.”

Watchtower’s lawyer, Richard Nakamura of Clark Hill, didn’t respond to an email
seeking comment.

J.W.’s attorney, Devin Storey of the Zalkin Law Firm, said that it was important the court
found proximate cause “as long as there’s some kind of nexus to the defendant and to
the defendant’s business.”

Storey noted that he and his firm have litigated over the 1997 documents in two prior
cases that have gone to the Court of Appeal and that highly redacted copies of some of
the material have been handed over in a fourth case currently pending in Orange
County.

“We litigate cases of sexual abuse all day, every day,” he said of his firm. “I’ve never
had a defendant other than Watchtower tell a court point blank, ‘I won’t comply.’”

“Affirmatively understanding the order and saying ‘I’m not going to do it.’ … That’s not
something I ever see.”

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Caleb and Sophia app?!?!?

by DATA-DOG in

wtf???

i didn’t know this was a thing.

is someone making significant money from this?

careful

The always-savvy GB (cough!) has ventured out into the electronic world, embracing it in their broadcasts and transitioning over from print media—they've got to expect and live with this sort of entrepreneurship: "rogue" Witnesses who will do these things. Such things are hard to control. We can compare those who have evidently begun making a living (a killing?) from selling JW (.org) jewelry, mementos, etc. The R&F will lap these things up, even if they're not officially sponsored by the org.