I agree with the foregoing comments. Human failings + the example of a corrupt GB = corruption at the lower levels in all kinds of forms. When I was in, I witnessed all sorts of examples of elders intervening and showing nepotism to their relatives and friends, and causing unfair treatment of lesser ones for personal gain. It's at least as old as, well, the Hebrew prophets!
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Shocking Example of JW Elder Corruption
by Roger Kirkpatrick inlet's play a game of believe it or not, shall we?
i'll relate a story, and you decide whether you believe it or not.
what would you think of an elder who told his daughter's fiance that he would kill him if he ever did anything to hurt his daughter?
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All Watchtower Brooklyn sales in 37 NYC doc pages + spreadsheet
by Corney ini have compiled 32 real property transfer reports (“reports”) and 5 recording and endorsement cover pages (“cover pages”) that are ny city public records and available online on a836-acris.nyc.gov site.
37 pages, 38 properties, $2.2bn, one society... enjoy: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ryaj_4ihgs1uoyeptkbzdbmw9rd12dmf/view?usp=sharing.
see also spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1acdsqfusm5mi2zatfn87ksxmvrdzh0wfxg9nlomdszw/edit?usp=sharing.
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Thanks Corney! In this other recent post,
the sources seem to be in conflict, with one (the Patch) saying that the 30 Front St. property just sold was their last holding, and another (YIMBY) reporting that "The Witnesses still own two small properties at 80 and 86 Willow Street."
I looked over the pdf you put together and could find no record of the sale of the 80 and 86 Willow St. properties (just 76 and 103). Do you know what the story is here?
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News: Jehovah's Witnesses Sell Last Piece Former Brooklyn Headquarters
by Tahoe inhttps://patch.com/new-york/heights-dumbo/jehovahs-witnesses-sell-last-piece-former-brooklyn-headquarters .
dumbo, brooklyn — the jehovah's witnesses have officially moved out of brooklyn — or at least their headquarters have.
the religious group announced that they sold the last remaining piece of their former dumbo headquarters last week.
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I'm not sure about the details. The Sept. 2018 YIMBY article says, "The Witnesses still own two small properties at 80 and 86 Willow Street." The Patch article says the 30 Front St. property was their last. Anybody know the real story?
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Catholic church's CA troubles grow—the org may be next?
by careful inbusted for not being transparent enough by the illinois attorney general:.
https://www.apnews.com/0a9997be667842ecb7dabe553cb989d2.
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Busted for not being transparent enough by the Illinois Attorney General:
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2018-Annual Service Report!
by Atlantis inif this has already been posted just disregard.. 2018 annual service report one in english and one in spanish.
other news included.
zipped folder.
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My anecdotal evidence is a bit different. For two years (2015-2017) I lived in one place where they did come around 2-3 times a year (surmised from tracts left in my door). I was always gone save once. That time was a lone, middle-aged sister. What struck me was the zero attempt to engage me in any meaningful conversation. She had a tablet, read no Bible passage, offered no literature, and just invited me to a meeting. Given that she was alone, I figured she was a pioneer who was getting her hours in. After that I moved and lived in another location for one year. It was a secure building, so they did not come by. However, the neighborhood was mainly accessible single-family homes and one time I had to park on the street about a block away. When I went to fetch my vehicle, I found a group of 5, 2 bros and 3 sisters, going D2D. We chatted a bit so I could find out about local downsizing. Sure enough their KH was going up for sale, and according to one sister, gullible enough to buy the party line, the money from the sale was for "KH building in foreign lands." Anyway, it's just my experience and I realize that is limited and the situation may be different elsewhere, but in two places where I've lived for the past 3 years, it's both carts and D2D.
If the carts were planned by the Muppets, err, I mean the GB (thank you, Orphan Crow!) for making it easier to pioneer, it's a remarkable case of them being proactive instead of reactive.
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The Muppets in Charge of the Org
by OrphanCrow ini found this meme on reddit and it is just too good not to share.. *sorry...can't remember the name of the reddit poster who posted this.... .
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THIS is funny!
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2018-Annual Service Report!
by Atlantis inif this has already been posted just disregard.. 2018 annual service report one in english and one in spanish.
other news included.
zipped folder.
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The comments here are good—the OP has even brought SBF out of the woodwork!
Just a thought: since the pioneer numbers are up, do you think the cart work was designed to do just that, make it easier to get in the required number of hours by sitting in a chair texting and reading instead of doing the real preaching and teaching work? If so, it would be a rare instance of the GB actually planning something out instead of just being reactive.
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2018-Annual Service Report!
by Atlantis inif this has already been posted just disregard.. 2018 annual service report one in english and one in spanish.
other news included.
zipped folder.
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Thanks, Atlantis, for the early leak of Spain's info.
Of course, an increasing number of pioneers is expected if they can get huge portions of their FS time sitting at carts while texting and reading instead of actually preaching to the people.
But what is absent is more telling than what is present in the report. They do not discuss the number of congregations or KHs, do they? When discussing the limited number of figures that they choose to highlight, few comparisons are made with previous years (like baptisms, Memorial attendance, "Bible studies"). The implied average size of a cong now seems to be just 70, instead of the 100 or so that it used to be when we were in.
These highly selective statistics are their latest spin. It will be interesting to look at the full report and document both the continuing negative trend we've seen in previous years in most Western lands and what countries have joined those places in going into decreases. Wouldn't it be telling if they began listing things like "average age" of Witnesses, lawsuits filed, lawsuits settled, legal expenses and payouts for child abuse? Fat chance of that!
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Archaeologists discover ancient 4,400-year-old tomb decorated with hieroglyphs in Egypt
by naja inhow could this survive noah's flood?.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/archaeologists-discover-ancient-4400-year-13737092.
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Thanks for the link!
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Question—does anyone know...?
by careful inmost here are familiar with the history of the child abuse issue.
one past policy the org had was forbidding parents to report the child abuser to police or warn other parents in the congregation of the abuser.
they used to threaten dfing if such parents disobeyed the org in this matter.
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Most here are familiar with the history of the child abuse issue. One past policy the org had was forbidding parents to report the child abuser to police or warn other parents in the congregation of the abuser. They used to threaten DFing if such parents disobeyed the org in this matter. That may have worked with most married couples who were both in the org, but what about the case of an abused child whose mom was in but whose dad was not? Would not in all likelihood the husband/father has been rightly pissed off that "Bro. Abuser" was not brought before the law because of his wife's crazy religion?
I find it difficult to believe that this never occurred somewhere. Surely it must have. So does anyone know what was done in such cases? Was the sister counseled to keep knowledge of the abuse from her unbelieving husband? The victim too? Did the elders try to talk the husband/father out of going to the cops? What happened?