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  Australian ABC News article on JW incest victim

  by shepherdless in

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  i am surprised nobody else has posted this yet.

  a lot of people in aust will read this.. “incest victim turned lawyer speaks out on reporting violence and sexual abuse”.

  https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-08/incest-victim-to-honours-law-graduate-shelly-triumph-over-abuse/10978530.

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  Thanks for this post. I'd missed it earlier. Can't always get to this website every day or even every week.
  
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  A possible move?

  by careful in

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  2. child-abuse

  in the second section (money stuff) of this morning's usa today newspaper (print copy p. 5b) there is one of those legal notices that groups put up in order to announce things and set deadlines.

  this one is from the santa fe, new mexico archdiocese, mandated by the us bankruptcy court.

  it's notification that people who were sexually abused by rc priests have until june 17 to file their claims.. this got me wondering.

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  In the second section (money stuff) of this morning's USA Today newspaper (print copy p. 5B) there is one of those legal notices that groups put up in order to announce things and set deadlines. This one is from the Santa Fe, New Mexico Archdiocese, mandated by the US Bankruptcy Court. It's notification that people who were sexually abused by RC priests have until June 17 to file their claims.

  This got me wondering. Do you think that the GB will ever take a somewhat similar course? That is, do you think there will ever come a time when the head of the WT Legal Department Philip Brumley will advise the GB that it would be in their best interests to follow the course of the RC Church, come clean on the CSA matter and how the org has hidden their wrong decisions regarding pedophiles, and make public payouts? Given how they keep racking up millions in secret payouts in individual cases, how this is putting a continual strain on their finances, how it has moved into two class action lawsuits in Canada, how it constantly threatens their public image, and how all this shows no signs of abating, do you think such a scenario will ever occur?
  It could be done by circuit, sort of a parallel to the RC archdiocese organization. That could also prove a money saver for the WTS since it could limit the cost of payouts, evidently what the RC has done to help stop their overall financial bleeding. Since bankruptcy judges often limit legal responsibilities in such ways as to allow those involved to retain holdings (like the RC church being able to keep churches and other institutions), this might be a way for the WTS to hold on to their KHs, AHs, etc. The real cost to the WT org would be, of course, the loss of respect the R&F would have in the leadership when their corruption would be exposed. The long prevailing view of their holy authority would suffer serious damage.
  

  Just interested in what people here think...
  
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  Literature Carts are Really a Vast Spy Network

  by HiddenPimo in

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  2. beliefs

  i am not sure if this is getting into the tin foil hat arena, but what if one of the reasons for the carts is to spy out who is leading a double life and to catch the pimo's?

  they are everywhere in common public areas.

  like the stasi of e. germany.. i know i may be reaching, but we all know the way zealous j dubs love to rat out anyone who steps out of line.. they can't be there to place literature, because no one is taking it.

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  The carts were started mainly to pad the statistics and give elders and pioneers easy FS time. It's like turning an RV into a "Bible study" by just reading one biblical passage and calling it a "doorstep Bible study." It's just more smoke and mirrors.
  
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  Advice on Disassociating

  by HiddenPimo in

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  2. experiences

  hello my exjw/pimo/pomo friends,.

  i am working on penning my da letter and wondered if i should use it as a tool to maybe wake up individuals as the boe will have to read it.. anyone have any advice on what i should say versus what i should leave out?

  i am not going to fade as my family can either be loyal to blood or loyal to a man made religion.

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  HP, I agree with those who say hold back. Your efforts will bear more fruit if you keep your cool and stay un-DAed/un-DFed. Keep the long range view in mind. Most of us can relate to wanting to vent our feelings about the org's corruption, but you will do more good if you stay "inactive." More options will be open to you. Think of others rather than your own feelings.

  You state "I ... wondered if I should use it as a tool to maybe wake up individuals as the BOE will have to read it." You won't wake anyone up with a DA letter. It's not a "tool" for that! If you remain inactive you will have multiple ways to enlighten people. DA letters have a long record of waking up NO ONE. All the "faithful ones" think of is "he went out from among us because he's not of our sort." That's it. They not only will not care what you say are your reasons, but they will be positively afraid of reading them. Why stir that up that fear? Isn't reasoning better? You will be able to reason with them if you can still approach them and talk with them. DA yourself and you will cut that off permanently. Think about it...
  
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  How Should Houses of Worship Protect Themselves Against Shooters?

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  is there a way?

  these madmen go into soft areas knowing they only will have firepower to inflict their damage.

  i think people better start thinking ahead about what they can do to protect themselves..

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  Zing,

  "never to announce/advertise special events to the general public but should be privately shared to members only." But that's the opposite of WTS public preaching and open invitation policy. There must be a real tension in the minds of the "Holy Eight" (GB) between wanting to protect the faithful and keeping an open (meeting-wise) organization. Hmmm...
  
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  Venus and Serena William's mother in a Mother's Day commercial

  by Expanded-Mind in

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  2. friends

  i think this is such a cute commercial!

  (link below) however, if venus and serena's mother is a loyal witness, i am surprised that she would consent to do a mother's day commercial.

  we all know what they teach about celebrating this and so many other holidays.

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  "she be pulled into the back room for a little talk"—not to mention the bit o' cleavage! If anything, that would merit some "counsel", at least back in the days I was in. Maybe that's changed now too?
  
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  Reporting Live From Orangeburg Assembly Hall

  by HiddenPimo in

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  2. experiences

  2,259 in attendance .

  9 baptized.

  $21,000 to operate one day assembly.

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  So HP did they sell the comfy Salisbury NC AH? If so, was it worth more $ than the Orangeburg one? Loved your current description that now "you eat at your seat"!
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  2019-Professional-Clinical-Volunteers-Needed!

  by Atlantis in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  2019 professional-clinical-volunteers needed.. .

  to assist in our disaster preparedness, hlcs’ have been asked to produce a list of, any brothers or sisters (in good standing) who currently have any degree of professional, clinical expertise (this would be over and above any first-aid qualifications).. hlc2019-april-15--sensitive data redacted.https://docdro.id/mwifeuu a-19 and dc-50 forms mentioned in letter.a-19https://docdro.id/b2gyc2ddc-50https://docdro.id/w3t8lhvthe dc-50 form has a box in the grey area that can be checked for disaster relief.atlantis!.

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  The link I provided above seems to indicate a very recent change on this matter, that is, from the 2011 reference you mention. Can you get any of the letters to the HLCs regarding this? It's supposed to be in the last couple of months, and evidently the local BOEs are not (yet?) privy to it.
  
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  Reporting Live From Orangeburg Assembly Hall

  by HiddenPimo in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  2,259 in attendance .

  9 baptized.

  $21,000 to operate one day assembly.

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  A straight shot down I-26, eh? How long does it take? Thanks for the further non-growth, really, as you say, shrinkage, info. I'm sure it can be duplicated in other Western lands, especially if this 15-yo girl from the Czech Republic is any indication. That's a pretty part of NC. Do you get to the mountains at all? There are some nice drives and trails up there.
  
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  2019-Professional-Clinical-Volunteers-Needed!

  by Atlantis in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  2019 professional-clinical-volunteers needed.. .

  to assist in our disaster preparedness, hlcs’ have been asked to produce a list of, any brothers or sisters (in good standing) who currently have any degree of professional, clinical expertise (this would be over and above any first-aid qualifications).. hlc2019-april-15--sensitive data redacted.https://docdro.id/mwifeuu a-19 and dc-50 forms mentioned in letter.a-19https://docdro.id/b2gyc2ddc-50https://docdro.id/w3t8lhvthe dc-50 form has a box in the grey area that can be checked for disaster relief.atlantis!.

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  So they are soliciting help from the very Witness health care professionals whose lives they have just make more difficult by changing long-held WT policy and now forbidding them from giving blood transfusions to non-JWs?

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/4886305889583104/new-blood-policy-jw-medical-professionals
  

  Sounds like a brilliant move!

  BTW, Atlantis, can you rustle up an documentation for this change?