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  Interesting Read About a JW Missionary in China

  by Wolfy in

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  http://www.believermag.com/issues/201302/?read=article_scorah.

  i found it a very interesting read.

  the article was linked on one of my fav websites digg.

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  dozy,

  Thanks for bringing back this link. I'd remembered reading it several times in the past six years, and it was very timely of you to resurrect it with the NY Times article that some have just posted about her book. Cheers!
  
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  According to the Old Testament aren`t YHWH God and the then Nation of Israel guilty of War crimes by today`s standards? ?

  by smiddy3 in

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  just going by memory here with regard to the "old testament' when god promised the land he chose for the jews ,flowing with milk and honey ?.

  their is no record in the bible of god ever giving an option to all the nations that already lived their to move on and he would compensate them at a new destination.?.

  apparently without warning he just charged up the israelite`s for war with these nations to evict them from this territory that they had resided in for who knows how long.. not only that ,they apparently spared no one in their conquests killing man,woman and even dashing children to pieces ,and not feeling sorry for anyone.. don`t people think that this is a bit barbaric ?.

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  Judging anything from the ancient world by modern standards will always have this result. I remember a history professor in a course on ancient Rome saying 95% of the people in the Roman world would be labeled sexual predators for life if they were to be judged by the norms of modern western society.

  He showed a video about archaeology and the academics in it kept saying over and over how we should not judge the ancient world by modern standards, but by the standards of that time—so very different from our own. The course professor asked if we thought it would be right to for people 2000 years in the future to judge us today by the standards that those in the future will have. The class got the point.
  
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  kingdom halls

  by inbetween09 in

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  this weeks meeting features a video about maintaining kingdom halls.

  it mentions a few times, how kh belong to jehovah, and are dedicated to him.. anybody ever wondered, if they belong to jehovah, how come, they are being sold all the time?

  can you give something to jehovah and then take it back?

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  I remember back in the 80s before the WT financial crisis really hit, they used to sell KHs to churches. Back then it was done to help finance a new KH build. But there was no issue with taking "Christendom's money" to "further kingdom interests"!
  
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  What Views or Beliefs Do Jehovah’s Witnesses No Longer Teach?

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  evidently they have changed their creative day from being 7000 years per day.

  all blood transfusions were taboo but now blood fractions might be allowed to be taken into the body.

  vaccinations were sinful at one time but not now.. can you name other views or beliefs that have changed from being considered “truth” to no longer “the truth “?.

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  SBF,

  "it’s a term that Adventists promoted, I think." I don't know about that, but it is sure THE term used by anti-JW (and anti-Adventist) evangelicals when they write their "anti-cult" stuff, and the topic is the state of the dead.
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  Jehovah's Witnesses jettisons Brooklyn development site for $2.45 million

  by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara in

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  https://www.bizjournals.com/newyork/news/2019/05/16/jehovahs-witnesses-jettisons-brooklyn-development.html.

  zing.

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  Thanks for the post and info.
  
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  2004 10-year project?

  by careful in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i just finished the barb anderson video linked here:.

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5430694403637248/interesting-interview-barbra-anderson.

  of course, a lot is present there, but one thing hit me.

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  Thanks for your comments, posters. Magnum, I'm intrigued by your "It seems to me that the org realized it had lost the doctrinal battle." I'm not sure how to understand that. Do you mean that people (potential converts) were just not interested in doctrine anymore or that the org just gave up on dealing with it b/c R&F members didn't care about it? Or something else?

  SBF, yes, BA's sources are usually reliable. I did notice, however, that age is taking its toll on the poor woman. She'll be 80 next year. Also, yes, her comments on those key men were noteworthy. I've long suspected that Jaracz was the main force behind the CSA policies back in the 80s and 90s. He himself being attracted to young girls and acting on it would explain a lot here. Now all that has come back on the current GB's heads! Yes too, they surely did not see many things coming and that are still coming upon them when they opted for going with this major makeover. Now they are juggling with how to continue with their "vision."

  sir82, yes their course is continuing—it's sort of set now. They can't turn back the clock. They're stuck with their decisions and course.

  dozy, I can understand your feelings about how incompetent these chaps are. If you look at WTS history, it's been full of daft men in charge. Nevertheless, at each change of power substantial transformations have been implemented. Look at Rutherford and how he revamped the democratically organized congs under Russell to a strict top-down hierarchy. He got rid of Xmas and birthday celebrations, the cross, most of Russell's chronologies, etc. When he died, Knorr and Franz dumped Beth-Sarim, began Gilead and the TMS, and even set about producing their own Bible translation, no small task. When GB I ended, it should be no surprise that the new group, daft as they are, also wanted to change things.

  For what it's worth, the was a trend for large organizations in the USA during the early 2000s to adopt "ten-year plans." Numerous governments, universities, and corporations were influenced by a small number of consulting firms to adopt such a plan. It looks like GB II also jumped on that bandwagon.

  zeb, I'm not so sure about any in-house "power behind the throne" within the org. The GB has got all the remaining underlings worshiping them. But one could certainly apply that proverb to the lawyers like Zalkin who have been chewing on the org's carcass for years now!
  
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  2004 10-year project?

  by careful in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i just finished the barb anderson video linked here:.

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5430694403637248/interesting-interview-barbra-anderson.

  of course, a lot is present there, but one thing hit me.

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  I just finished the Barb Anderson video linked here:

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5430694403637248/interesting-interview-barbra-anderson
  

  Of course, a lot is present there, but one thing hit me. At the end of it, in the last minute, she mentioned that in 2004 there was a conscious decision within the org, evidently instigated by the GB to revamp and remake the organization within 10 years. That sure seems to fit what has happened during that time period: the closing of so many Bethels/branches and the consolidation of administration; axing the DO and book study; shortening the assemblies/conventions; the switch from print to electronic media; cutting back on personnel and dumping the middle-aged and elderly Bethelites; producing "music-videos"; a leaner org overall. On and on the list could go. Like many have stated here on various threads, it has changed so much that it's not easy for us old-timers to recognize it anymore.
  

  Does anyone else know of this plan? Would someone like to share more info about it? Has anyone who writes WTS history published on this matter?
  
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  New publisher card with no home address / 2019

  by suavojr in

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  2. friends

  sorry if this has been discussed but i cannot find any topic on this.

  i just saw my new publisher card and it now has my home address, date of birth and phone number removed.

  the elder said this was changed december 2018. does anyone know why this has happened in the usa?.

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  OTWO,
  You missed the verb "removed." Three things are now removed: home address, DOB, and phone number. There are words (two more subjects) between "my home address" and "removed"—maybe this threw you(?).
  
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  Breaking news: Update Darkspilver May 6th hearing

  by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  on may 6th, 2019 watch tower attorney paul polidoro faced off against anonymous reddit user darkspilver, represented by eff, the electronic frontier foundation.. link to youtube video with audio from may 6th hearing:.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wzopjmzfco&feature=youtu.be.

  polidoro, noted for his appearance in the supreme court case of watchtower versus stratton ohio, now represents watch tower of pennsylvania in their efforts to flush out the inside leak sources of documents, videos and images.. these documents and other sensitive information have been leaked to the public and reposted by dozens of individuals since 2017. watch tower is deeply concerned about the internal moles leaking this information, since much of it has been used by whistleblowers to reveal watch tower's private internal policies and procedures.. included in the leaks are publisher id and records management materials which reveal the extent of jehovah's witness data collection and management prodedures, including the destruction of documents.. jehovah's witnesses have come under intense scrutiny for their failure to report child abuse across the globe, not only in mandatory reporting states, but in every location where clergy members are not required to report.. the dangerous policies of the jehovah's witness organization have resulted in a significant movement among current and former members to expose the organization and force transparency.. current members with high-level access to watch tower documents have risked expulsion and legal recourse for their efforts.. the electronic frontier foundation's attorney alex moss represented the unidentified darkspilver redditor in defense of the motion to quash watch tower's subpoena to unmask his identity.. listen closely as both sides make their case, and the judge seeks to understand the issues involved.. freedom of speech versus alleged copyright infringement- you be the judge.

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  Thanks, Zing, for the post. The opposing counsel, and the judge, highlighted that confidentiality issues have nothing to do with copyright claims. Clearly the org is trying to use copyright law to get this chap's name and ferret him out. The WT lawyer tried to keep the judge in the dark as to the way darkspilver would really be treated if caught.
  
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  Here’s a link to all the 2019 Convention Videos

  by HiddenPimo in

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  2. beliefs

  2019 convention videos.

  rutube 😉 dang holy spirit foiled again .

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  HP,

  When I hit the link there was a split-second appearance of a page in English with the vids but then a page in Russian quickly followed and I couldn't see the vid links. Can you fix this, or provide the url so I can cut and paste it?

  Thanks.