Yeah, I can relate to the emotion. Some years ago when a nice local elder, truly a fine guy but completely deluded since he buys into the package hook, line, and sinker, came over to try and reactivate me, the many deep memories just flooded back—truly emotional, hard to control my thoughts and feelings. I'm glad I purged most of my WT library years ago, but it sounds like you might have some valuable things, stuff worth saving.
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Reel to reel tapes and old Watchtower literature
by lastmanstanding init's been an emotional few weeks going through old watchtower literature, i mean old.
i have saved many things, some you have never seen.
particularly related to 1975, i have wts literature, even a big newspaper article about the 1975 prediction.. today, i started going through the reel to reel tapes.
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Australian Pollies seem driven to call out failure of signing up to redress scheme
by jonahstourguide innoticed this on abc news again re the redress scheme here in australia.. i thought it notable that jws were specifically mentioned and that the government is aware of jw tactics.. bolding is mine.. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-08/states-territories-urged-beef-up-name-and-shame-abuse-scheme/12226250.
states and territories urged to go far beyond name and shame threat against 'recalcitrant' institutions in abuse redress schemeby political reporter matthew doranposted 7hhours agodean smith stands at his desk in the senate, gesturing while speaking into a microphoneliberal senator dean smith said victims of child abuse deserved more than just a threat to name and shame institutions.
(abc news: jed cooper)sharestates and territories are being urged to not only shame institutions which refuse to sign up to the national redress scheme for victims of child abuse, but also name senior officials and the levels of public funding the organisations receive.key points:a federal parliamentary committee has recommended institutions which fail to sign up to the national redress scheme for abuse victims be named, their officials identified, and public funding outlinedcommittee chair dean smith has written to the states and territories urging them to adopt the proposalsocial services minister anne ruston said all jurisdictions would need to agree if such a proposal were adoptedlast week, a federal parliamentary committee made up of liberal, national, labor and greens members unanimously recommended identifying "recalcitrant" organisations ahead of the june 30 deadline.this week, the committee chair, liberal senator dean smith, wrote to state and territory attorneys-general escalating that demand and encouraging them to adopt the proposal.institutions have until the end of june to sign up to the multi-billion-dollar scheme, aimed at compensating victims of child sexual abuse, before the federal government publicly names them for holding out.so far, 545 applications for redress have been delayed because 284 non-government organisations are yet to join the scheme.senator smith suggested it was not enough to simply name the holdouts, and argued the committee wanted explanations on why they were not signing up, names of office holders in the institutions, what date they expected to join the scheme and the financial benefits received through public funding or their charitable status.
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Thanks for the update.
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Has Anything Positive Come Out Of This Coronavirus Isolation For You?
by minimus ini guess you could make a case of more families being together although that might not be the best situation.
less cars and pollutants mean we can breathe better.
if you were ever uncomfortable in crowds, this could be good news.
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I'm with rubadub: traffic is gone in my big city. Driving any where, any time is fast.
Air pollution is W-A-Y down too.
Somebody here posted those pics of homemade face masks—hilarious. I sent the pics to friends and family. They split a gut laughing too.
No Witnesses out preaching—well, I don't know if that is good or bad since you can strike up a conversation and ask questions that are embarrassing to them at their silly carts, so that option is gone. Therefore, maybe them not being out isn't so good. I'm divided on that one. At least they don't come to my door.
Gas prices are way down and there's no waiting at all for gas.
When I go out waking in the neighborhood, people coming the opposite direction get out of the way or pull their dogs aside. That never occurred to me before the coronavirus.
There are good classic athletic games/contests on TV now since live ones are gone. They're fun to watch.
A relative had to travel by car and spend overnight at a fancy hotel. Their room was dirt cheap and they got the best suite for next to no upgrade fee.
Those are some benefits off the top of my head.
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Jehovah’s Witnesses Sue Owners of FaithLeaks for Posting 74 Convention Movies
by AndersonsInfo inhttps://news.bloomberglaw.com/ip-law/jehovahs-witnesses-sue-faithleaks-owners-over-convention-videos .
https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2020/05/01/jehovahs-witnesses-sue-owners-of-faithleaks-for-posting-74-convention-movies/.
the watch tower bible and tract society of pennsylvania, which oversees the jehovah’s witnesses, is suing the truth and transparency foundation and its founders ryan c. mcknight and ethan g. dodge alleging copyright infringement..
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Vidiot, "the Org doesn't even derive income from the videos"—maybe that's exactly the point. Now by suing someone else, could they be turning a money loser (it takes resources to make these) into a money winner (getting a monetary judgment)? They may be viewing this as their only opportunity to get some money for these assembly/convention videos, eh?
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An emerging new global authority at how it will affect believers
by Kosonen ingood day believing brothers and sisters, .
i have to inform about latest information concerning the set up of a global authority.
we have waited un to be empowered.
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"believing Brothers and Sisters"—?
Kosonen, are you drunk, high, putting in field service time, or just a troll? Do you think people at this forum would really be interested in this stuff? Or are you just "giving them their witness"?
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2020-May-S-147-E Announcements And Reminders!
by Atlantis infriends, atlantis is receiving so much stuff so quickly, it is hard to keep up with it all.. the 2020 may announcements and reminders just came in also.
(s-147-e) in english and german.. if you want those just say so in the replies.. petra!.
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Sign me up please, Petra.
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Miss Piggy----Thrown Out of Zoom Meeting!
by Atlantis inmiss piggy was thrown out of the zoom meeting because she was showing to much cleavage.. https://docdro.id/s9jhehton her way out she grabbed the co's briefcase and gave him the finger.https://docdro.id/szfjix4then miss piggy jumped into her hot rod and is delivering all the co's secret documents to the neighborhood.https://docdro.id/bed59f8if you are on the email list, these documents are already in your email.
so just keep eating your buttered popcorn.2020-04-27--broadcasting meetings2020- information notice of broadcasting congregation meetings2020-notice of broadcasting2020-information on broadcasting congregation meetingspetra!.
https://docdro.id/i8d4tli.
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Miss Piggy: sounds hot! Please sign me up!
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Kermit Is Delivering Documents!
by Atlantis inkermit is delivering documents with his kermit chopper.. https://docdro.id/a01tdj0.
if you are on the receive list these documents are already in your email.. .
if your not on the list, then reply below that you want kermit to swing by your place, and drop off a copy in your pm box.. .
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RIBBIT, RIBBIT! Kermit—Petra & Atlantis have invited me to ask you to stop by my mailbox too. Say hello to Scooter, Fozzie Bear, and the rest, except perhaps Pepe the King Prawn, who practices far too much theocratic strategy (an ex-CO?).
Petra, do we need to ask each time you've got an upload, or can we put on a permanent delivery list?
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Arizona Republic: Bisbee man confesses he's molesting his daughter. Church tells bishop not to report abuse to authorities
by AndersonsInfo injehovah's witnesses are mentioned in this excellent article that begins by reporting on an especially awful mormon child sexual abuse case.
the article then discusses the issue of the penitent privilege exemption which former jws working through scaars.org are trying to influence state lawmakers to eliminate.. .
https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona-child-welfare/2020/04/21/bisbee-man-confesses-hes-molesting-his-daughter-church-tells-bishop-not-report-abuse/2876617001/.
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I've spent more time with both articles, the one Barb posted, and the one lancelnk did. Both contain valuable info.
On the (second) one from North Illinois: yes, it's true, as lancelink states, that the elder did indeed "warn the hall about the abuser," but the accusations were not reported to the government for 12 more years, "when the victim told church leaders the abuse had not stopped" and doubtless when the brainless (organizationally "loyal") elders got the green light from Mommy (the org) to do so.
But far more interesting is the legal maneuvering that his case displays. It shows how this prosecutor, and likely prosecutors in general since they communicate with one another in law journals, at conferences, personally etc., are finding ways around the clergy-penitent privilege. The elder first tried to duck the prosecutor's questions by appealing to that, but the prosecutor found a way around it, a way that worked in the prosecution's favor. There's a lot here. First, that clergy-penitent privilege is being legally undermined in the courtroom. That's huge. Second, the GB and their lackeys in the Legal Department are aware of this. That must be scary for them. Their wall may be crumbling.
On the other, first posted link from Arizona by Barb: this case is not specifically about JWs. Rather it's a Mormon case. That group is very big in Arizona. This reporter Mary Jo Pitzl has really done her research well. She understands the role that clergy-penitent privilege has played in CSA cases, its problems and difficulties, and she provides some up-to-date info on what is happening on the legislative and judicial fronts on the matter. She mentions JWs only in regards to the Montana case where the state supreme court unanimously and "unwillingly" overturned that multi-million-dollar civil judgement against the WTS because they felt the laws, as they stand, need to be amended regarding clergy-penitent privilege. She also shows how this extends to beyond the Witness world. She brings in the Mormons and the Catholics, two groups who, unlike JWs, are heavily involved in the world, in politics, and so on. As Pitzl shows, they are not going to idly sit by and watch this cherished privilege dissolve.
As I've stated in other posts, this matter will eventually have to be decided by SCOTUS, and given the heavy bias toward conservatism that body now has, the outcome may not be what the people in general want to hear (though it would be interesting to see what John Roberts would do).
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Arizona Republic: Bisbee man confesses he's molesting his daughter. Church tells bishop not to report abuse to authorities
by AndersonsInfo injehovah's witnesses are mentioned in this excellent article that begins by reporting on an especially awful mormon child sexual abuse case.
the article then discusses the issue of the penitent privilege exemption which former jws working through scaars.org are trying to influence state lawmakers to eliminate.. .
https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona-child-welfare/2020/04/21/bisbee-man-confesses-hes-molesting-his-daughter-church-tells-bishop-not-report-abuse/2876617001/.
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I had a discussion with a young Catholic priest not long ago (one I know pretty well and who will open up to me), and I asked him what he does with confessions in which the confessor admits to having done illegal things such as child abuse. He said he goes through the normal ritual of giving the proper penalties to pay (so many Hail Marys or whatever) to get right with the RC God, and then he promptly forgets the content of the confession. That way he and the church are not legally liable. He related one instance where a young Catholic teenager saw him shortly after confession and again brought up the matter of his confession. The priest acted like he didn't know what the teen was talking about. The point was to drive home to the teen the absolute confidentiality of the confession box.
I thought that sounded pretty strange, but it seems to show that the RC church is still more interested in protecting itself from legal actions, maintaining internal secrecy, and keeping up appearances than in protecting kids, in spite of the many public claims to the contrary—not all that different from the WTS, eh?