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  Waiting On Jehovah First Mentioned?

  by Ron.W. in

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  yes, waiting on jehovah for him to handle a problem/ doctrine etc.. when did the jw's first start saying that?

  they've been saying it as long as i can remember.. what scriptures do they trot out to back that teaching up?

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  Ron W.: good question--nice thread!

  Diongsis: thanks for the ref. to the '59 booklet. I wonder how much or how frequently it occurred in the WTS pubs before the NWT appeared. Apparently in 1953 Fred Franz repeated the old KJV rendering at Gen 49:18 where the speaker Jacob uses the phrase when blessing Dan. But it is biggest in the Psalms (for example, 42:5, 11; 43:5; 62:5, etc.). It also appears at 2 Kings 6:33 in a bad way. Perhaps it was some common idiom in Israelite/Jewish society even without God being involved (Job 14:14)? It looks like it was a regular way Jews viewed their God: hang in there, even for a long time, until God intervenes. The concept seems to lie behind the people's expression, "God has turned his attention to his people," after Jesus resurrects the son of the widow of Nain (Luke 7:16).

  In the modern Witness world it's not the sort of expression that is taught to newbies, but it's one of those many concepts that one is supposed to learn as one "matures" in the org. There are so many of those!

  SBF: the ref. to the exact song and which songbook might be helpful in dating the expression, esp. if it's a song that was carried over from an earlier songbook.
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  More victory for Ex-JWs in B.C. Canada

  by yalbmert99 in

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  https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-jehovahs-witness-privacy-battle-1.7079252.

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  Thx for the info & update, yalbmert99.
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  Elders testing some promising men by talking like an apostate?

  by Person in

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  couple years ago as a promising ms i had some weird conversations with two young elders.

  it was always as we where alone only i and the elder.

  they would initiate a conversations about things like blood doctrine, celebrating birthdays, view on homosexuality etc.

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  They’ve got other things to think about, such as all the talks and tasks they have to perform, the CO visit and so on.
  

  ... and what restaurant they will go to after FS or the Sunday meeting.
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  Article: Jehovah’s Witnesses sue Norway after registration revoked

  by Tahoe in

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  we’ve all been following the norway trial.

  here is an article to share: https://www.baptiststandard.com/news/world/jehovahs-witnesses-sue-norway-after-registration-revoked/.

  after norway deregistered the jehovah’s witnesses last year, some human rights experts say the nation’s reputation as a bastion of religious freedom could be in question.. now, the jehovah’s witnesses of norway are suing the state for revoking their national registration and withholding state funds.

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  Thanks for the update, Tahoe. This bears watching.
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  Is The GB Paranoid? And Should They Be?

  by NotFormer in

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  the gb seems to have a bunker mentality, that they are special, and that the world is out to get them, so they tend to keep within their tightly controlled, protective environment.

  bottlegate proved that there is some danger outside of the rarified atmosphere of their echo chamber; you never know when a camera might be trained on you, or that someone might recognise you as being something more than plain old "joe citizen".

  further, tm3's new address was quickly found and distributed, and (as i understand it) someone drove to his gated community to tell the security guard that tm3's "ass is grass".

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  they tend to keep within their tightly controlled, protective environment.
  

  Have any of them known anything else?
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  Did Jesus Die On a Stake or a Cross?

  by Sea Breeze in

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  dominic enyart exposes watchtower deception regarding their demonization of the cross.

  information packed.

  interesting take on paganism as well.

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  Leolaia's post linked by peaceful Pete above has all you need to know. It's superbly comprehensive.
  
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  Where’s the 2023 Service Report?

  by slimboyfat in

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  what’s keeping them?

  this has got to be the latest it’s ever been.

  maybe it’s the last one they’ll ever publish too, after dropping reporting hours for publishers ….

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  SBF:

  it seems to be mostly decreases all across the Americas in the western hemisphere.
  

  But maybe they won’t publish the figures next year, and even if they do it will be counting a different thing as publishers report a “yes” rather than a number of hours each month.
  

  Oh thou of little faith, have you factored in the droves of inactive male Witnesses who have left over the years in order to grow beards and will doubtless return this year? Then next year's FS report and accompanying broadcast vid will extol the beard policy change as "food at the right time, the light becoming brighter, Jah's blessing," etc., etc. Who knows? They may even institute a new column in the report on "Inactive Ones Reactivated".

  You're just not keeping up with God's chariot, brother!
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  Resources: Spanish Association of Victims of Jehovah's witnesses

  by Diogenesister in

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  resources for the court case of the spanish congregation of jehovah's christian witnesses v. the spanish association of victims of jehovah's witnesses.

  eric wilson's translation:.

  https://youtu.be/sf5cjun2nvo?si=giqwrloq9mcpfvx2.

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  Thanks for the link and info.

  Doubtless the next JW Broadcasting episode will discuss the matter at length, openly revealing everything!
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  Belgian court decision

  by vienne in

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  https://bitterwinter.org/the-ghent-saga-ends-belgium-cassation-court-confirms-that-shunning-is-lawful/.

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  Thanks for the link. Massimo's at it still!
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  Thoughts on annual meeting “new light”

  by FFGhost in

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  so, i finally saw the annual meeting video part 2.. this is the one with the “new light” on who might survive armageddon, vs. those who do not.. in summary, for those of you fortunate enough not to have to sit through it, it’s something like this:.

  old light: once the “great tribulation” starts, that’s it for non-jws.

  the “door of the ark” is closed.

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  Thx for your summary and your questions. One point to consider, namely your query,

  then what exactly is the point of the preaching work?
  

  they have long taught that saving via the preaching work is not the primary purpose of it. It is first to make God's name Jehovah known. In this they have succeeded. I remember when I was out in the FS people used to say things like, "Oh, it's you Jehovahs again." I got so tired of it I almost told one householder. Yep, I'm Jehovah God. I've come down personally from heaven just to speak with you!" If I recall, I was being harassed some Machiavellian elder that day, so I was not in a good mood. But you've got to hand one thing to the org: they have made the name "Jehovah" known in a lot of places.

  Perhaps the AM part here was partly to deal with the fact that the whole earth has not come to know this name, like in China, much of India, and most Arab lands (?).