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Bethel Dwelling Manual (2004 Edition, 2012 Printing)

by thebrokenkite in

a peace offering to those recently questioning if i'm undercover, though new conspiracies may surface.

;) please excuse the ongoing construction of the site and enjoy!.

http://thebrokenkite.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/dwelling-together-in-unity.pdf.

careful

Thanks for the share. I imagine that there must be a new one out or in the works because so much has changed in Bethel life in recent years, and some of the quoted biblical passages now read differently in the revised NWT. Do you know about a revision?

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Is "fornication" still used by Witnesses?

by careful in

in 2013 the revised nwt came out and changed the old edition's "fornication" and its related words "fornicating," "fornicator" etc.

in all their roughly 70 occurrences.

has the word completely dropped from usage in the witness world?

careful

In 2013 the revised NWT came out and changed the old edition's "fornication" and its related words "fornicating," "fornicator" etc. in all their roughly 70 occurrences.

Has the word completely dropped from usage in the Witness world? For example, is it still used in the disfellowshiping report sent to the branch which lists the sin the DFed one is guilty of?

I could be wrong, but this is one word that has a long history, one not easy to erase by a change in translation.

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Is There Any Thing That Would Make A JW SERIOUSLY Question Their Religion?

by minimus in

jw
friends

i realize that jehovah’s witnesses have been dumbed down for long time now.

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still, i think there must be something that would make them really question their beliefs, even their life.. i think that if witnesses were told they could take blood or that disfellowshipping was unloving, they might stop and take a hard look at everything they have sacrificed their lives for.. i know the organization has muddled these subjects before but the i think even die hard witnesses might start to second guess the governing body..

careful

MNINC:

Perhaps if one of the governing body members showed up to morning worship with a beard, that might do it.

On the contrary, it might show that they are lightening up and thereby attract some inactive ones to return.

Of course, it's impossible to just show up with a beard. Since it takes time to grow one, the scenario is unreal (perhaps your comments were meant to be?) and the GB members are so high profile and constantly in the limelight, they could never take off for a while and then grow one unawares. It would be nice if they did grow some beards, however.

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Pale.Emperor Meets A Born Again Christian

by pale.emperor in

of all the religions out there one religion that's always filled me with exasperation was the born again christian belief system.

to make matters worse, the street preachers i see and hear here in liverpool always tend to be crack pot, loud mouths, attention seeking and just plain annoying.. this idea that "im going to heaven, you're going to hell" is enough to make me not want to worship their god even if he did exist.

but today i met two.

careful

Thanks for relating that. Yep, the first one sounded real hardcore.

Picture this one: I knew a Jewish chap who decided to take a day off from family and work, get a seat on a fishing boat mainly for tourists, and go out to sea to fish for the day. Once he got out there, he discovered all the other non-crew members on board were born-againers. When they found out he was Jewish, they laid into him for the entire day, vainly attempting to "save" him. He recalled it to me as one of the really harrowing days of his life.

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Change in CA?

by careful in

having been out for a long time, i'm wondering in what year the change in circuit assemblies took place when they went from two days to just one.

anyone know for sure?.

thanks in advance..

careful

wifiB: thanks. That's the info I was looking for.

DS: yeah, I vaguely remember that. At about that time I was beginning to tune out and grappling with what I was going to do with the org and my future. It took a while to work it all out.

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Change in CA?

by careful in

having been out for a long time, i'm wondering in what year the change in circuit assemblies took place when they went from two days to just one.

anyone know for sure?.

thanks in advance..

careful

Having been out for a long time, I'm wondering in what year the change in circuit assemblies took place when they went from two days to just one. Anyone know for sure?

Thanks in advance.

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Explanation please on the change of the term "worldly"

by careful in

i've picked up from several replies to posts here that the org has stopped using the term "worldly" as it applies to people.

this must have happened after i left.

would someone be so kind as to explain the "rationale" behind this shift?

careful

I've picked up from several replies to posts here that the org has stopped using the term "worldly" as it applies to people. This must have happened after I left. Would someone be so kind as to explain the "rationale" behind this shift? What is/are the preferred term(s) now for non-JWs? Just how is "worldly" used now? When dd the change occur?

Thanks.

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When did the recording of prayers stop? Why?

by careful in

i was just listening to the annual meeting recording posted here in another thread.

about half way through it, a prayer was offered.

i was wondering if the recorder (and i have no idea if this was a person making an official recording or just some independent person making one) was going to keep the recording device on for the prayer.

careful

I was just listening to the annual meeting recording posted here in another thread. About half way through it, a prayer was offered. I was wondering if the recorder (and I have no idea if this was a person making an official recording or just some independent person making one) was going to keep the recording device on for the prayer. He/she did not. I wondered this because I've noticed in current official recordings, both audio and video, they always turn off the recording during prayers, even in the more elaborately produced historical/biblical dramas. In other words, the policy covers more than just current meeting prayers.

This was not the case in the past. I remember, for example, hearing the concocted/imagined prayer of the Israelites in a drama on the first Passover and the exodus from Egypt. The prayer was even complete with some sort of "through the blood of Passover lamb" ending, no doubt intended to foreshadow the later "in Jesus' name" ending used today.

I have to wonder about the reason for all this since there are dozens of prayers recorded in scripture. Most of the Psalms are such; we have the actual prayers of Abraham, Moses, Elijah, Jeremiah, Nehemiah, Solomon, Daniel, Jesus, Peter, and others. So is this conspicuous policy of not recording prayers yet another attempt to be non-biblical or what?

Does anyone know when and/or why this policy changed?

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NWT from Greek/Hebrew into other languages?

by Counter-Watchtower in

does jw org claim to have translated the nwt into other languages from greek/hebrew?

because if they did claim that they would have to have biblical scholars in biblical greek/hebrew from every language, that would be a ton of ppl!

and take a lot of time!.

careful

If you are "sure that[']s what they did with the other languages," then why are you asking about it? What's the point of this post?

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2017 Annual Meeting

by Jules Saturn in

this just in from the 2017 annual meeting:.

1. watchtowers and awakes won't be released regularly, at least three watchtower and awakes per year.

6 magazines a year.. 2. a new book is being released: remain in god's love, more of an update like how they did for the what does the bible really teach book.

careful

Thanks suavojr.