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  Does a jw have to miss counting time for 6 months to be inactive

  by blondie in

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  how many months consecutively does a jw have to miss turning in time to be inactive?.

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  careful

  What? SBF and Morpheus agree on something? I've got to mark this day on my calendar...
  
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  Strange

  by Jrjw in

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  a couple of times at the meetings this year we've been told that in the future we might get some strange directions from the society that might not make any sense to us.

  then they've said will we show our loyalty to jehovah by still obeying?

  seems a rather unusual thing to say.

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  I'm certainly NOT defending their words or position here. That said, they seem to have in mind the exodus from Egypt as a prophetic pattern for how the end will come. That is, they would say that the Israelites were told to do something that looked crazy: go down into the dry Red Sea with the waters held back supernaturally. It looked like suicide, yet it led to their deliverance.

  Again, please don't attack the messenger here. But if you want to try and understand their perspective, that's probably it. I'm sure plenty of condemnation of this analysis will follow my post!

  On a more current note, this MAY be an indication as to how they plan on "dealing with" the publicity if the record of their handling of the child abuse crisis gets genuine widespread press coverage, far more than it has. They could then just tell the R&F to not listen to or believe any of it, in effect, what they have been saying in the small way that the publicity has been given so far. In other words, they may be gearing up for "battle" in some big way, at least in their minds.
  
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  How many anointed have come and gone; how many remain?

  by Moster in

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  just wondering if there is any data about how many anointed there were in say 1914, and considering most would have passed 'beyond the veil' already, are the jw's numbers adding up?

  we know there are more in 2017 then there were in 2016, but just where are we in the grand total column?.

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  Correction: the JW org website now has the 2017 partaker stat:

  Memorial Partakers Worldwide: 18,564.

  That's up by over 500 from the 2016 number, 18,013.
  
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  How many anointed have come and gone; how many remain?

  by Moster in

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  just wondering if there is any data about how many anointed there were in say 1914, and considering most would have passed 'beyond the veil' already, are the jw's numbers adding up?

  we know there are more in 2017 then there were in 2016, but just where are we in the grand total column?.

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  Sour Grapes, where in the world did you get this?

  At the end of the first century, there were over 1,000,000 Christians.

  As for any statistics for Memorial partakers for last year, knowing that depends on whether GB II decides to share that info or not. It hasn't happened yet.
  
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  2017 Service Year Report Grand Totals

  by Drearyweather in

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  2017 figures released to bethel families worldwide:.

  peak publishers: 8,457,107. total baptized: 284,212 .

  regular pioneers: 1,225,279 .

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  "Implementing non-construction solutions such as merging or relocating congregations"—well, that's sure doublespeak for "we're shutting down a lot of congregations and selling off plenty of KHs"
  
  More doublespeak: "Significant features of the service year report will soon be available on jw.org." In other words, we're not going to tell you anything that's negative in our eyes! No more real disclosure of the ministry numbers.
  
  SBF: according to the pic here: https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6248588200902656/life-saving-message
  
  it would not be boring at all to work the carts now: just be sure you've got your smartphone! You can rack up hours playing video games, catching up on email, going on facebook, etc. Pioneering looks easier than ever!
  
  You are spot on here: "there is a bifurcation taking place between JW skeptics on the periphery and hardcore JWs who are becoming more committed."
  
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  Kingdom Hall ... BURGER KING?

  by sparky1 in

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  i live in a very rural part of the northeastern united states.

  after 9 years of waiting, the local witnesses are getting their new kingdom hall.

  it is being built on a back road next to a sandpit.

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  You mean we can get a double cheeseburger and fries during the WT study? THAT might start bringing the people back!

  Yeah, so where in NE is this new KH?
  
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  Greek Bethel up for sale: video - 77 Kifisias Avenue, Marousi, Athens

  by darkspilver in

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  the greek bethel at 77 kifisias avenue, marousi, athens, is up for sale.

  below is the sales video:https://vimeo.com/242230932see also: http://www.danos.gr/property-sale-in-marousi/.

  from the bethel tour brochure:.

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  What kind of sales "video" is this? A still pic shown for 2 min. and 27 seconds with stale music?
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  Is the name Jehovah`s Witnesses a misnomer ?

  by smiddy3 in

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  i ask this because from what i read on this board lately is that they jw`s seem to be very reluctant to engage in conversation with anybody nowadays and are only interested in placing literature at carts.. and if anyone brings up questions in their d2d work that challenge them ( like the arc ) they will promptly excuse themselves and move on.

  also didn`t jesus say "this good news of the kingdom would be preached in all the inhabited earth " for a witness ?.

  when was the last time you heard a jw speak about "the good news of the kingdom" ?

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  The thread seems to have gotten off track. The OP smiddy, I think, is not talking about whether to call them Jehovah's or Jesus's witnesses, but the fact that whatever you want to call them, they are not giving the witness they used to. Rather they stand around the carts and seem to be intent on witnessing to no one:

  JW`s seem to be very reluctant to engage in conversation with anybody nowadays and are only interested in placing literature at carts.
  
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  MS meeting highlights

  by lastmanstanding in

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  there are a few things of interest, but the biggest thing to tell is with regard to the amount of times that pornography was discussed.

  not just one talk... several.

  the last brother had a computer on the table with him as he talked about porn.

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  Thanks for the post, but I don't understand this:

  There was a video of GB Flowden.
  

  Would you please explain?

  Your words about elders, adultery, porno, booze, etc. call to mind that fairly recent post here of a bro. who had been a CO in Central America. He told experiences that were similar but even more widespread. One was how he tried to find a currently serving elder who had not been previously removed for adultery for an assembly part but he couldn't. Maybe US elders are becoming more like their Central American counterparts?
  

  That statement of the bro. "service is draining, not just physically (as in secular work) but mentally, emotionally and spiritually" called to mind the recent post here with the pic of the four Witnesses at the cart, all busy playing with their smartphones.

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6248588200902656/life-saving-message
  

  Yep, looks real draining!

  But your best statement is this one:

  "so that you can please the governing body"

  Nothing like idolatry! They really are embracing Roman Catholic theology with the GB being the Pope. Sickening...
  
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  The New JWdom - Vew of Older Publications? (and other related questions)

  by Magnum in

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  i feel that there aren’t many of that type anymore, but there have to be some – mostly old-timers.

  how do they study?.

  when i was active, i collected all the old publications i could find.

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  What’s going on with JWs who are the studious/scholarly/research-inclined type?
  

  I know that some of them have begun their own, underground forums. They do not generally bash the org but they do exchange ideas that sometimes disagree with the party line. They talk about Heb. and Greek and delve into real scholarly sources. For them it fulfills their intellectual needs that are not being met by the present brain-starved org. Some of these forums a person has to be invited to, vouched for, and so on. In other words, it's not unlike becoming an elder. However, there, in at least some cases, sisters can join in.

  Are the trolls listening? Yikes! Something within the ranks that the GB cannot control!!! Better get those JCs rolling...