John's gospel is known for its regular intentional ambiguity. This is a classic example. It's apparent at 4:13-15, 7:33-36, 11:11-12. Note the disciples' reaction at 16:29, "“Finally, you are speaking plainly,” indicating that he had not done so before.
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Born again or born from above
by Steel inlast year i was at the memorial and the speaker was saying something about how the phrase born again was actually a mistake and it should say born from above.
jesus was actually referring to those with a heavenly hope.
last night i was flipping the channels and there is a religious program talking about being born again.
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More News about child sexual abuse on Dutch National Television
by jochie inmore dutch news (english subs)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50sgu0jmzq8&list=pljylxw3p9cbfy6ok1om84bef4irkutnog&index=2.
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Thanks for the post.
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$5.5 Million to be transferred to World Wide Work from Assembly Hall fund
by Sour Grapes ina letter was read tonight in our kingdom hall that the money that the circuits in the indianapolis area had in savings to build a new assembly hall will now be transferred to the www to build kingdom halls in lands where they are needed and a new assembly hall for us will not be built.. we had a beautiful assembly hall near downtown indy that was paid for.
it was sold a couple of years ago.
we were promised a new assembly hall to be built in southern ohio near the indiana border but they can kiss that goodbye now.
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Thanks, St George of England. Then it looks like what I said has already happened: they have applied their concept of reduction of KHs to AHs. All we are now seeing is the aftermath, the selling off of excess buildings.
sir82: point well taken. So they have not reduced the number of assemblies since that would cut into their money making. But they have streamlined the process. Reduce their duration to one day. Pack them in and get them out, all the while collecting as much cash as always during their short stay. Why have more AHs than is necessary to do this? Streamline, streamline, streamline...
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$5.5 Million to be transferred to World Wide Work from Assembly Hall fund
by Sour Grapes ina letter was read tonight in our kingdom hall that the money that the circuits in the indianapolis area had in savings to build a new assembly hall will now be transferred to the www to build kingdom halls in lands where they are needed and a new assembly hall for us will not be built.. we had a beautiful assembly hall near downtown indy that was paid for.
it was sold a couple of years ago.
we were promised a new assembly hall to be built in southern ohio near the indiana border but they can kiss that goodbye now.
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Might this be indicative of something else in the works? A reduction in the number and/or length of circuit assemblies? If they are still having 2 two-day ones per year, they might be going to only one. If they are still two-day affairs, perhaps they are going to only one-day assemblies. Either way, it would open up time slots for the existing assembly halls to accommodate twice the number they used to. It's the same principle they've been using for KH consolidation—why not do the same with AHs?
Then the money grab would be in harmony with everything else they normally do. They are certainly not going to give it back!
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The Harp of God book
by blownaway ini am looking for the book the harp of god.
i am told it has some crazy passages in it.
can anyone put up some quotes of the book?
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SBF,
How about the idea that Fred Franz realized the spiritual Israel thing—and probably many other things that CTR had wrong—and finally won over JFR to his view? I suspect this was a major overlooked factor in WTS history of the post-CTR period.
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Attention!! There will be sex in heaven
by James Mixon inwell i thought i had heard it all but, the mercury columns "will christians enjoy sex in heaven" just hurt my brain.
how can god allow sexual relations in heaven without marriage??
in heaven there is no need for anyone to belong exclusively to another(wow!!!
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Sounds very Moslem, or else quite high on psychedelics.
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The Harp of God book
by blownaway ini am looking for the book the harp of god.
i am told it has some crazy passages in it.
can anyone put up some quotes of the book?
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SBF:
I wonder what happened in just five years to so radically alter his view.
He/they embraced spiritual Israel as the fulfillment of OT prophecies.
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Consolidation of Bethel Big-Wigs Now?
by The Fall Guy ina reliable source has informed me that a bethel contact has informed them that paul gillies - a london branch committee heavyweight - is moving to warwick to join the legal department there.
anyone else aware of this?.
during the recent court case in russia, he posed for a photograph with the gb member and the rest of the wt a-team..
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Has he started partaking at the Memorial?
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Joe attends Iglesia Ni Christo church service
by joe134cd inwell i have heard various comments about them on here, so last week i decided to do an internet search on them.
i was quite surprised to find there was an inc in my local area and ironically only meters away from the kh.. it was very interesting to say the least, and in the short time i was there i could quite understand how they get there reputation as a high control religion if not a cult.
in some respects i think they are probably more jw than the jws.. let me explain how my visit went.
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Enlightening:
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What Will The Future Hold For Jehovah's Witnesses
by VW.org inas descibed by the title here is a link to reddit of a what i believe is a powerful post with heaps of information.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/7ovq5o/watchtowers_decline_what_will_the_future_hold_for/?utm_source=reddit-android.
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Watchtower now embedding their pdfs with data so that they can issue subpoenas to isps to trace down culprits in the borg who are leaking this information.
Won't using a proxy get around that? Are the WT geniuses missing this or just counting on their leakers to be dumb enough not to employ a proxy?
SBF, unlike the SDAs any "member transfers" in the Witness world would entail a letter from one BOE to another which would not be done electronically, I think, at this time. Does anybody know the status on this?