"believing Brothers and Sisters"—?
Kosonen, are you drunk, high, putting in field service time, or just a troll? Do you think people at this forum would really be interested in this stuff? Or are you just "giving them their witness"?
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An emerging new global authority at how it will affect believers
by Kosonen ingood day believing brothers and sisters, .
i have to inform about latest information concerning the set up of a global authority.
we have waited un to be empowered.
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2020-May-S-147-E Announcements And Reminders!
by Atlantis infriends, atlantis is receiving so much stuff so quickly, it is hard to keep up with it all.. the 2020 may announcements and reminders just came in also.
(s-147-e) in english and german.. if you want those just say so in the replies.. petra!.
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Sign me up please, Petra.
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Miss Piggy----Thrown Out of Zoom Meeting!
by Atlantis inmiss piggy was thrown out of the zoom meeting because she was showing to much cleavage.. https://docdro.id/s9jhehton her way out she grabbed the co's briefcase and gave him the finger.https://docdro.id/szfjix4then miss piggy jumped into her hot rod and is delivering all the co's secret documents to the neighborhood.https://docdro.id/bed59f8if you are on the email list, these documents are already in your email.
so just keep eating your buttered popcorn.2020-04-27--broadcasting meetings2020- information notice of broadcasting congregation meetings2020-notice of broadcasting2020-information on broadcasting congregation meetingspetra!.
https://docdro.id/i8d4tli.
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Miss Piggy: sounds hot! Please sign me up!
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Kermit Is Delivering Documents!
by Atlantis inkermit is delivering documents with his kermit chopper.. https://docdro.id/a01tdj0.
if you are on the receive list these documents are already in your email.. .
if your not on the list, then reply below that you want kermit to swing by your place, and drop off a copy in your pm box.. .
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RIBBIT, RIBBIT! Kermit—Petra & Atlantis have invited me to ask you to stop by my mailbox too. Say hello to Scooter, Fozzie Bear, and the rest, except perhaps Pepe the King Prawn, who practices far too much theocratic strategy (an ex-CO?).
Petra, do we need to ask each time you've got an upload, or can we put on a permanent delivery list?
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Arizona Republic: Bisbee man confesses he's molesting his daughter. Church tells bishop not to report abuse to authorities
by AndersonsInfo injehovah's witnesses are mentioned in this excellent article that begins by reporting on an especially awful mormon child sexual abuse case.
the article then discusses the issue of the penitent privilege exemption which former jws working through scaars.org are trying to influence state lawmakers to eliminate.. .
https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona-child-welfare/2020/04/21/bisbee-man-confesses-hes-molesting-his-daughter-church-tells-bishop-not-report-abuse/2876617001/.
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I've spent more time with both articles, the one Barb posted, and the one lancelnk did. Both contain valuable info.
On the (second) one from North Illinois: yes, it's true, as lancelink states, that the elder did indeed "warn the hall about the abuser," but the accusations were not reported to the government for 12 more years, "when the victim told church leaders the abuse had not stopped" and doubtless when the brainless (organizationally "loyal") elders got the green light from Mommy (the org) to do so.
But far more interesting is the legal maneuvering that his case displays. It shows how this prosecutor, and likely prosecutors in general since they communicate with one another in law journals, at conferences, personally etc., are finding ways around the clergy-penitent privilege. The elder first tried to duck the prosecutor's questions by appealing to that, but the prosecutor found a way around it, a way that worked in the prosecution's favor. There's a lot here. First, that clergy-penitent privilege is being legally undermined in the courtroom. That's huge. Second, the GB and their lackeys in the Legal Department are aware of this. That must be scary for them. Their wall may be crumbling.
On the other, first posted link from Arizona by Barb: this case is not specifically about JWs. Rather it's a Mormon case. That group is very big in Arizona. This reporter Mary Jo Pitzl has really done her research well. She understands the role that clergy-penitent privilege has played in CSA cases, its problems and difficulties, and she provides some up-to-date info on what is happening on the legislative and judicial fronts on the matter. She mentions JWs only in regards to the Montana case where the state supreme court unanimously and "unwillingly" overturned that multi-million-dollar civil judgement against the WTS because they felt the laws, as they stand, need to be amended regarding clergy-penitent privilege. She also shows how this extends to beyond the Witness world. She brings in the Mormons and the Catholics, two groups who, unlike JWs, are heavily involved in the world, in politics, and so on. As Pitzl shows, they are not going to idly sit by and watch this cherished privilege dissolve.
As I've stated in other posts, this matter will eventually have to be decided by SCOTUS, and given the heavy bias toward conservatism that body now has, the outcome may not be what the people in general want to hear (though it would be interesting to see what John Roberts would do).
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Arizona Republic: Bisbee man confesses he's molesting his daughter. Church tells bishop not to report abuse to authorities
by AndersonsInfo injehovah's witnesses are mentioned in this excellent article that begins by reporting on an especially awful mormon child sexual abuse case.
the article then discusses the issue of the penitent privilege exemption which former jws working through scaars.org are trying to influence state lawmakers to eliminate.. .
https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona-child-welfare/2020/04/21/bisbee-man-confesses-hes-molesting-his-daughter-church-tells-bishop-not-report-abuse/2876617001/.
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I had a discussion with a young Catholic priest not long ago (one I know pretty well and who will open up to me), and I asked him what he does with confessions in which the confessor admits to having done illegal things such as child abuse. He said he goes through the normal ritual of giving the proper penalties to pay (so many Hail Marys or whatever) to get right with the RC God, and then he promptly forgets the content of the confession. That way he and the church are not legally liable. He related one instance where a young Catholic teenager saw him shortly after confession and again brought up the matter of his confession. The priest acted like he didn't know what the teen was talking about. The point was to drive home to the teen the absolute confidentiality of the confession box.
I thought that sounded pretty strange, but it seems to show that the RC church is still more interested in protecting itself from legal actions, maintaining internal secrecy, and keeping up appearances than in protecting kids, in spite of the many public claims to the contrary—not all that different from the WTS, eh?
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US Letter Read Sunday 4/26 at Meeting - No KH Use and No Field Service Indefinitely
by JWTom inthere was a letter read sunday at our meeting that mentioned some parts of us are starting to open back up.
however, regardless of things opening up that no kingdom halls should be used for any meetings of any kind.
also, no door-to-door ministry or any form of in-person ministry is allowed.
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IWant2Leave, looking forward to hearing your story!
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Coronavirus outbreaks at any Bethels?
by careful indoes anyone know of any covid-19 diagnoses within any bethels/branches/remote translation centers?.
it would be interesting to see what the gb's policy is when this happens.
i suppose it's bound to happen sooner or later..
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Thanks for the input. RubaDub, you're probably right that it wouldn't be announced, but we all know how unannounced info is passed in the Witness world. If some young chap at some Bethel was diagnosed with the virus and told his folks at home, the word would be out. Plenty of people at this forum have relatives and friends still in. I was just wondering if anyone had inside info.
Someone here posted on another thread that as of 17 April, 250 cases of JWs at large in the USA had come down with the virus, leaked supposedly by the US Branch telling US COs who then related the info to BOEs in their circuits. It's possible that such channels could be used to speak of infected Bethelites too.
I'm sure they are on lock down and that will help, but deliveries are still made there and a tiny bit of the outside world must be tricking in. Much about this virus is still unknown too. If it were to leak in, it could spread pretty rapidly in their communal lives, like it did on the USS Roosevelt aircraft carrier.
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Coronavirus outbreaks at any Bethels?
by careful indoes anyone know of any covid-19 diagnoses within any bethels/branches/remote translation centers?.
it would be interesting to see what the gb's policy is when this happens.
i suppose it's bound to happen sooner or later..
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Does anyone know of any Covid-19 diagnoses within any Bethels/branches/remote translation centers?
It would be interesting to see what the GB's policy is when this happens. I suppose it's bound to happen sooner or later.
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Should You Be Required To Wear A Coronavirus Mask?
by minimus insome towns require everyone going outside to wear one.
one massachusetts city requires anyone from 5 up to wear a mask.
some cities require masks and have shut down parks and sports playing while others in a nearby town have no such restrictions.
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I hope MMM's pics did not hijack the thread, but they are EXCELLENT (Tahoe's too). Thanks so much. We can all use some humour in this mess.