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  Lawsuit: I said GB member Barr that my Bethelite stepfather abused me; he did nothing

  by Corney in

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  2. child-abuse

  here's an excerpt from the recent lawsuit deborah hines v. watchtower bible and tract society of new york et al (paragraphs 158-180), one of 29 known cases brought against the org pursuant to the ny child victims act.

  what should be kept in mind is that gerrit lösch apparently worked in europe (the austrian branch and eastern europe) at the time when the abuse was allegedly reported to him (not a gb member then).. plaintiff was raised a member of the jehovah’s witnesses.

  she primarily attended meetings at various congregations in arizona.

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  Thanks Corney for this report.

  nowwhat?, she was told by "God's organization" not to go to the cops! As someone raised in and probably very naive, she believed it.

  If this story ever really got out to the R&F, the repercussions would be huge.
  
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  PIMO elder

  by Reservations in

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  2. friends

  i’m reservations, pimo elder.

  i’m in no position to leave the organisation, maybe some people will see that as weak or whatever, but we have to all go down our own path in life.. i would like to be able to wake people up in my congregation, how do you think best to do this?

  any ideas?.

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  Res,

  What will you do if you are put into a position of defending org policies that you disagree with, whether it be something huge like DFing someone for reasons you no longer believe in, or something less drastic like defending some weird teaching?

  Also is your family situation at work in you feeling you're not able to step down?

  C
  
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  The King of the North and the South, who are they now?

  by Anony Mous in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i know several wit-lesses that to date are researching these topics.. however i haven't heard much from any publications recently about it, i think the latest refresh was ~10 years ago.

  since then the power of the us has severely diminished (or at least the rhetorics about it has), russia is a small potato in modern era, the eu is a cowardly dog in the eyes of everyone and we have the rise of china which is as far as military might is concerned, a paper tiger.. we also have the rise of islam, especially since the end of the nato nation-building effort in afghanistan which is now in power in most of the middle east and africa, as well as regions of asia and growing strong in europe.. does anyone have noooo light about these developments.

  is islam the king of the south?

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  "King of the North? Russia and pals at any moment, but beware things could change, they could be overlapping....." love it mikeflood!

  Then there's always the option that the the King of the N and S could become acceptable and unacceptable fragments! "The four basic components of the King of the N are ..." And the faithful will be hanging on every word...
  

  Stay tuned to David Splane. The suspense is huge...
  
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  CO said; “Friends (plural) who’ve been raised in the truth are beginning to have doubts regarding their faith”

  by pistolpete in

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  2. beliefs

  here is what a co said at the elders and ms meeting.

  it goes to show that no matter how hard the governing body tries to instill fear of apostates, it's just not working on the young crowd of jws.. it's a new generations of born in jws--------and they don't buy this shit anymore.

  it's really over for the watchtower.

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  Thx so much PP for the OP and report. Thx too FFG for your thoughts. Those in charge of the org are really living in their own world, out of touch with young Witnesses. Indeed, it will be educational to see how things develop when in-person meetings and the D2D work begins again.

  
  
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  What is it with these lard ass GB and gold rings and watches?

  by mickbobcat in

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  they wear jewelry like they are some don from the cosa nostra.

  watches and rings like some cheap pimp.

  hey they are cheap pimps.

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  These are gifts that wealthy Witnesses give the power structure to earn brownie points from "God's spokesmen." It's the ultimate "green handshake." They also get free trips overseas from such ones. After getting such gifts the GB members "feel grateful" and show it by wearing such expensive jewelry.
  
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  Leaked David Spane Apostate Rant? (Upcoming Lloyd Evans Video)

  by Jofi_Wofo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  lloyd has a reminder set for a "leaked" video that he will be reviewing tomorrow, but it lacks details in the description.

  does anyone know what video he is referring to, or is this an upcoming loyd evans exclusive?.

  i find leaks exciting, especially if it's something that was never meant to be public and puts some serious egg on the faces of the blundering body..

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  DOC and pistolpete: spot on!

  
  
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  In 4-3 judgment, Montana Supreme Court allows Nunez ($35M) case to be relitigated under another legal theory

  by Corney in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  as a reminder, the plaintiff in that case, alexis nunez, was abused by her step-grandfather, maximo reyes, who have been disfellowshipped for one year for abusing his children.

  she sued the organization for failure to report the known abuse to police and was awarded $35 million by a jury while another plaintiff (her aunt) lost her case.

  the supreme court of montana reversed the award, finding that congregation and bethel elders were exempt from duty to report.. the plaintiff then asked the district court to allow her to sue the org again under another legal theory - common law negligence - which has been voluntarily abandoned by her counsel before the trial.

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  As always Corney, thanks for the update. Please keep us informed.
  
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  The Execution of Ed Dunlap

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  2. beliefs

  amazing insights into wts doctrine and practice from a former bethelite who worked with ray franz on the aid book.. https://youtu.be/mz6mjycc7ag.

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  I never knew Ed Dunlap but sure enjoyed the James commentary.

  RK, wow, that's quite a project making up that letter and sending it off to the places you have. It's taken me a long time to stop laughing! It shows how vulnerable the org is to a thinking person since those in the org trust rather than think. No wonder it's had results.
  
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  Senior Judge to Revisit Case-Law on Authorizing Medical Treatment Against Wishes of Mature Minor

  by Corney in

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  2. friends

  https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/ewhc/fam/2020/3003.html.

  nearly two weeks ago, sir james munby, a privy council member, formerly a law commission chairman, high court's family division president, and a lord justice of appeal, issued a short emergency order in a blood transfusion case closely resembling mcewan's the children act.. here are some excerpts:.

  2. the case involves the deeply troubling question of whether a blood transfusion should be administered to a young woman who is almost, not quite, 16, against her profound religious beliefs.

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  As usual, thanks Corney, for keeping us up-to-date on this. The Gillick competency notion is UK-Commonwealth one. Do you, or anyone else here, know how EU or USA courts feel about his legal idea? It's ironic that it came about from the desire for contraception by those under 16 yo who wanted to keep their parents in the dark about it, something the WTS would never condone, yet is being used by WTS lawyers for the blood issue.
  
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  EU top court rules on JW blood transfusion case

  by Corney in

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  2. beliefs

  the court of justice of the european union (cjeu) yesterday delivered the judgment (press release) on a request of the supreme court of latvia on whether domestic authorities are obliged to reimburse costs of cross-border medical treatment when the patient's decision to perform it in another european country was based on religious, not medical, grounds.

  the opinion of advocate general (summarized here) is helpful in understanding the case.. the son of the applicant in the main proceedings had to have open heart surgery.

  that operation was available in the latter’s member state of affiliation, latvia, but could not be carried out without a blood transfusion.

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  Thx Corney for the update.

  Phizzy:

  They could not totally do a 360 turn on the Blood nonsense, because they would face costly Litigation from families who had lost loved ones unnecessarily.

  Well said!