Posts by Sugarcane

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oHi, short introduction

by Sugarcane in

glad i found this board and hope to have some interesting discussions.

i'll post my story later today, but in the meantime; i'm a single parent with 2 kids, was a jw for 26 years in total (born one, left at 17 years, went back at 21), became inactive 4 years ago and disassociated myself 4 weeks ago!.

my experience with the bible org.

Sugarcane

Correct, I am of Jamaican origin!

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Do you see the average Jehovahs Witness as a victim...?

by trevor in

i think most of us appreciate the difference between the tyrannical watchtower society and the average sheep like followers who make up the congregations.

we have been jehovahs witnesses so we know how brainwashed they are.

i am interested in knowing how you feel towards jehovahs witnesses individually and whether you hold them accountable.

Sugarcane

I think it's difficult to give a yes/no answer, as how is one to understand 'average JW'? Is it someone who was born and raised in the borg, someone who regularly attends and puts in average hours for the country in the ministry etc?. I think if anything, it is JW children who are the real victims because children are so impressionable when they're young. They have had no real choice in the matter and if they do go along and even get baptised, what's the rationale behind it? I see one key factor for people staying in the borg: FEAR of just about everything! They are probably a victim of there own conscience, how they have let that belief system take control of their minds. Even if people have doubts, they are not allowed to express them because fear of being ostracised or even disfellowshipped. It's a big price to pay if all your family is in the borg not to mention the shunning that goes along with it. The longer a person is in the borg the harder it is to get out as this 'black and white' thinking has been indoctrinated for a long period of time, how can one just change their way of thinking? Victims? To an extent, but those poor householders become victims at the hands of JWs. Therefore, JWs are both victims and offenders.

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oHi, short introduction

by Sugarcane in

glad i found this board and hope to have some interesting discussions.

i'll post my story later today, but in the meantime; i'm a single parent with 2 kids, was a jw for 26 years in total (born one, left at 17 years, went back at 21), became inactive 4 years ago and disassociated myself 4 weeks ago!.

my experience with the bible org.

Sugarcane

Hi again and thank you for the welcome!

Ok, here goes:

I was raised a JW with my sibblings in the UK. When I was 15 years old (just turned 15 years), I was raped by a stranger. The police were involved and I had to give a photo-fit of the offender. At the time, I was living with my mother and the police contacted her. She told them to contact my father who came to the police station. His first words were "look what you've done to me now"! Til this day, I don't know what he meant. Anyway, I later got a visit from an elder who asked me what happened, which I then explained as best as I could. He then took out the bible and showed me an example of someone who 'prevented themselves from being raped, and asked if I had screamed and how loud? Can't remember what I said, but the next thing I knew was, I had to go to a meeting with my mother and 3 elders were present, asking more questions and speaking amongst themselves. It was only later on in my life that I realised that this was a 'Judicial Committee'.

I left the 'Truth' at the age of 17 years, and then returned at the age of 21 years with my baby daughter. I got married in the 'Truth' with a so-called brother which was the worse thing I could have ever done. My life was completely hell throughout that terrible marriage - I now have a son and am divorced. Oh, did I mention that when I was raped may father also called me at my mother's house and said "what will your brothers think of you now?"

Anyway, I became inactive when the divorce became difficult to manage and guess what, none of those JWs except for one good friend supported me. I stayed away and things started improving because I just concerntrated on myself and my kids. I had a spout of unemployment which meant that I was living on a very, very low income. Things got better when I found a job and just started living a normal life outside the 'Borg'. When my X got remarried a cheeky elder called me on the phone and asked "if I have kept myself clean?" I couldn't believe the cheek of it. I said to him, if my X has done something wrong, go to him and sort it out, we are divorced and what he does is nothing to do with me. In the Borg, someone has to take the blame and they/he was looking to 'scapegoat' me for his so-called wrong doing. Well guess what, 5 months after he got married, she had a baby, not premature but full term (do the math). I wonder how they dealt with that one??

To cut a long story short, most of my family are in the Borg and my father is especially fanatically. He doesn't know that I've recently disassociated myself, but I think it really makes no difference, because they behave as if I always have been simply because I became inactive. He'd rather help strangers from 'door to door' or 'brothers and sisters' than his own children who are not JWs. A few months ago I travelled from Switzerland, drove 200 miles from London to his home to speak to him. He knew I was coming and had JW visitors over. Instead of staying for a drink at the hotel where we met, he and his wife were in a hurry to get back to those JW visitors. Well, what can I say? I was angry with him because he hadn't seen me and my kids for 2 years and yet, these JWs which are local people in his congregation, were more important.

I was adviced by a psychologist to do my own research into JWs because I told her what happened to me when I was 15 years old. I was astonished to find so many articles, research and books on the the Borg and particularly the life story of 'Diane Wilson' and Raymond Franz, Crisis of the Conscience. The Borg forbids people to read opposing articles over them and I really adhered to this even though I'd been inactive for 4 years. But the psychologist recommended it plus she'd done some research and told me what she found - similiar stories to mine!

You could have knocked me over with a feather!! I decided that I didn't want anything more to do with that organisation, so I disassociated myself. This was the only way to stop them from contacting me and opening up old wounds. I'm now at a stage of recovery, because I have to address the things that happened to me whilst in there (too long to write in one post).

Well, that's it for now. Btw, I'm not German, I'm from the UK but live in Switzerland. I just wanted to know if there are any meet-ups or boards in German, because I wonder how ex-witnesses in other countries cope if they don't speak English. There must be support boards out there in foreign languages?? And.........sugarcane is a hint to my origins, can anyone guess?

Ich spreche und schreibe Deutsch, nicht fliessend, aber gut genug!

Love to hear from you guys out there.

Sugarcane nice 'n' Sweet

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oHi, short introduction

by Sugarcane in

glad i found this board and hope to have some interesting discussions.

i'll post my story later today, but in the meantime; i'm a single parent with 2 kids, was a jw for 26 years in total (born one, left at 17 years, went back at 21), became inactive 4 years ago and disassociated myself 4 weeks ago!.

my experience with the bible org.

Sugarcane

Hi Everyone! Glad I found this board and hope to have some interesting discussions. I'll post my story later today, but in the meantime; I'm a single parent with 2 kids, was a JW for 26 years in total (born one, left at 17 years, went back at 21), became inactive 4 years ago and disassociated myself 4 weeks ago!

My experience with the bible org. (Borg)/WTS whatever you want to call it, is not too dissimilar to many other former JWs, but very colour and extremely painful when I look back on it all.

Will tell you the rest later.

Btw, where are the majority of people living? Is anyone from any of the German speaking countries; Germany, Switzerland or Austria?

: )

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