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I thought it might of been just local to my hall. But if you have ever played football with JWs I am sure you have bruses to show for it. I am quite tall, but as they are all a bit greedy they would ahve a huge game with young children and oler men joining (never women perhaps another issue) anyway, even though I am quite a big guy, over 6 feet. I would always ensure that I was no where near a child to hurt them in any way. If a child was going for a goal I would just let them, I have no pride when it comes to the protuection of children, even when i was an older teen.

But some of the Brothers were so rough that they would not only hurt eachother but you would always hear some child getting KOd. Even I have had a few cracked ribs from the POs brother (also an elder). Any complaint even by my mother was along the line " sure he is a big lad he can take it" not that I should have to take anything from a bastard.

I used to play with worldly people after the game, an I have never been intentionaly hurt. I have had a ball to the face a few times, but always an accident or me just getting in the way.

Why is "foul" not called when JWs play sport?

Why is the spirit of competition so high they would walk over children?

Why does the PO and his Brother actualy break my ribs, yet if I did the same I would have to here it from the platform?

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JW most violent in "friendly" sports?

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Worst day of the year?

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well everybody has one, more often than not, the influence we have from the org has affected us all.

even to the smallest decisions.

for me it has to my my birthday, one of the 7 sins from the org.

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Well everybody has one, more often than not, the influence we have from the org has affected us all. Even to the smallest decisions. For me it has to my my birthday, one of the 7 sins from the org. I still dont celebrate it, essentialy due to the fact i have nobody to celebrate it with. Because of the continual conflicts I have going on in my mind, I rarely tell anybody. So nobody knows. I live far from home and my month wont even phone me on that day, incase it is misconstrude. Getting older, no contact with anybody, feeling bad because something you left can still have such power over your life, fear of change and plenty of other feelings of angst and sorrow. Since many of you may have started celebrating your bd it many not affect you so much, but since the org plays so much on almost any reason to be happy, I am wondering what your difficult days are?

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Pollution, the earth will die in 10-12 years.

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i have been reading wt quotes etc, but i have not seen this issue raised.

i dont have a big box of awakes to search through, but i distinctly remember the cover of an awake with a picture of the globe and factories producing smog.

well the mag was about pollution; the core message/prophecy was that the world will mot be survivable in 10 -12 years so we can expect god to step in the next few years.

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Steve2, I am only in my mid 20s and I was only forced to read the current WT and Awake, so I know it has to be from 87-> on because I just wasnt there. Nobody really encourages reading the old garbage incase somebody might turn over a skeleton.

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~Your image, reputation here at JWD~

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what impression do you think you make here at jwd?

what do people think of you?

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Well I am just new... So not much of a reputation.

One person I do admire is IP_SEC, I dont know how he manages to do what he does. I can barely step foot in a hall with out having about a 1000 panic attacks in my head.

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Pollution, the earth will die in 10-12 years.

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i have been reading wt quotes etc, but i have not seen this issue raised.

i dont have a big box of awakes to search through, but i distinctly remember the cover of an awake with a picture of the globe and factories producing smog.

well the mag was about pollution; the core message/prophecy was that the world will mot be survivable in 10 -12 years so we can expect god to step in the next few years.

void

I have been reading WT Quotes etc, but I have not seen this issue raised. I don’t have a big box of Awakes to search through, but I distinctly remember the cover of an Awake with a picture of the globe and factories producing smog.

Well the mag was about pollution; the core message/prophecy was that the world will mot be survivable in 10 -12 years so we can expect god to step in the next few years.

I know there have been other issues raised about god standing in before the millennium, but nobody has raised this one. It would have been in 91 – 95 year of Awake, any insights? Sorry I couldn’t narrow it down more.

Oh and if anybody is in

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Please don`t read if you are a current witness and have doubts.

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well i am new to the board, i have faded away from the truth lies about 6 years ago.

it still has an effect on me today, so much so i gave the warning in the title.

this is because one of the things drilled into me, was that its far worse to lead a member of the flock away.

void

Thanks for all your wellcomes! Well I am in asia, so I guess as you all had time to read my post I was fast asleep in my bed. Well continuing some of the discussion raised here. Here is another question I have on my mind. (dont worry I didnt come here just to ask questions) Who are the JW's actualy fighting with? e.g. creation vs. Evolution Stake vs. Cross Blood All the other issues, almost every meeting you attend or do personal study there is some agenda that they have to "keep up the good fight" even after you have been completely indocrinated. Looking back if I am told it is gods wish that we dont use blood, I am given scritural evidence to support it, then I will accept it, I still accept it until now even though I dont want anything to do with the organisation. But they always seem to be fighting with other religions or scientists. But I dont really see any of these scientist taking the time to bother fighting back, ha ha, because its such a worthless cause. I have seen less fighting on this board, then in the hall or the organisation. Brenda, don't worry about about expletives I swear like a docker. Revfrank, I am a little bit scared, well actualy I tend to SHUN anything and everything that might be construde at religious. But perhaps you can help. What would you label a person who has abandoned all forms of religion, to a point that even atheism is to restrictive? All otheres, you really have made me feel most welcome. Something I didnt feel when I went back to the hall.

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Please don`t read if you are a current witness and have doubts.

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well i am new to the board, i have faded away from the truth lies about 6 years ago.

it still has an effect on me today, so much so i gave the warning in the title.

this is because one of the things drilled into me, was that its far worse to lead a member of the flock away.

void

Thanks Oroborus.

Yes, well over 2000 threads, almost the whole site, although I have left 6 years ago, I have rarely ever mentioned to people I was a JW before. A hand full of people know. But I had never sought out talking with apostate ha ha, my conscious see. But about a month ago I found this site. As I had the guilt trip thrown at me over not even at least going to the momorial I was reading the official website, you know. But I googled instead and came here. I much say in the 2000 posts, I feel I identify with almost everybody. Experiences growing up, what happened others in the hall, songs I hate, songs I can’t get out of my head, rudderford/rustle... I spend about 4 hours a day reading and cant stop.

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Please don`t read if you are a current witness and have doubts.

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well i am new to the board, i have faded away from the truth lies about 6 years ago.

it still has an effect on me today, so much so i gave the warning in the title.

this is because one of the things drilled into me, was that its far worse to lead a member of the flock away.

void

Well I am new to the board, I have faded away from the ~~Truth~~ Lies about 6 years ago. It still has an effect on me today, so much so I gave the warning in the title.

This is because one of the things drilled into me, was that its far worse to lead a member of the flock away. As much as I hate that organization, I don’t want to tempt fate to much.

As a fader, and I am sure some of you have the same complications, due to family you can never discuss what you are actually thinking.(and you don’t want to go down the DA route) This is identifiably the sole reason I left. Although I hated preaching etc., and had doubts, which could of been resolved. I just couldn’t cope with the whole "You can only free your mind of doubts if you read more, let jehover to guide you..." as the answers to my questions were not even included in any book. Till now I cant talk to my mother about it, I am quite a good son, my only intent in life is to do good to other, since I left the WT, I have become far less materialistic, due to college and a desire to learn about the world we live in. The only thing enrages me in life is being lied to and having a conversation about the "Truth".

I have lots of stories to tell, but I don’t want to cover too much in my introduction.

Formation of doubts, most are scientifically related, not so much the science but how the old bitches would answer in the hall like, "those scientists, thinking they know more than Jehovah. We have it so good here, eating form his divine table." Although it was a long standing problem for me regarding creation, only until now I have been about to conceptualize it. Eventually I grew up to be a scientist, I know the same people treat me in a vague kind of contempt.

My belief in creation:

God used evolution as a tool(I know some forms of ID teach this) I hate all that 6/7 days crap, days of years, day = 1000 year....what ever number fits their logic suits them at the time. I am trying to put it in a way my mother would understand. But as so as I say the word evolution, I am talking like an apostate.

Well here it goes, If a baker gets all the ingredients, flour, water, yeast, mixes them together, puts them together and puts them in the oven. Who was the breads creator? The oven or the baker? If you would think of evolution and the earth as the oven, DNA as the ingredients. The bread as the final products humans etc, Jehovah put it all in motion and it follows a natural cycle. So much so the argument "you don’t see things evolving now" is mute because we could be at the end of the cooking cycle. I think this is a pretty reasonable argument, but no luck so far.

Some current issues I have but will expound upon later,

Never had a Sheparding call, despite playing incessantly for help.

Used to pass the time in the hall thinking of different ways to kill people(despite being a pacifist)

My school bully was accepted into the hall with open arms, made feel like a king, I should show reverence to him, "such a fine example". While me a long standing member was repeated ignored, even when I was reaching out.

In the late 1980`s I distinctly remember being reprimanded for asking "I don't think it is ok to be so forgiving, no matter if the person is honestly repentant if he raped somebody daughter" yet 17 year later I am being preached to by my mother about the whole abuse issue, "how wonderful gods organization is for exposing this at the proper time..." So in the 1980 my thinking is wrong but now it is correct. Well if I a 12yo can spot this, why cant the 12 liers at the top spot this earlier since they are being directed by god. I was never sexually abused, but I was hit by the

Well my intro is lacking direction. But all I really want to say is that here, this bbs is a fine resource. I have read about 2000 threads in the last month. I get the impression most people here are very intelligent and it really comes out in their writing skills. Well I am dyslexic (actualy dysphraxic almost the same condition) so my writing is just garbage and lacks any kind of flow. I hope to post a bit more, but this fucking Pavlov’s dogs conscious I have pisses me off, just because it has been ingrained in m e that my questions are apostate and woooooah now I am talking with some.

Parting questions: why is it that society loves scientists when they can find something to substantiate 607 but hate the same ones for carbon dating dinosaurs?