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  Jw answers to questions

  by lime05 in

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  a few points oldsoul made on the forum a while back which jehovahs witnesses have no explanation for.

  i asked a witness and he gave me these answers.

  please leave any comments.

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  lime05

  A few points OldSoul made on the forum a while back which Jehovah’s Witnesses have no explanation for. I asked a witness and he gave me these answers. Please leave any comments.

  (1) They have no explanation for why they believe the Faithful and Discreet Slave is a class (or group) of people. (Matthew 24:45-47)

  One person couldn’t live for hundreds of years obviously, therefore a class (or group) of people were required to dispense spiritual food over time. The “slave” then became responsible not only for ministering to the needs of the anointed body members but also for taking on the responsibility of preaching the good news of the established Kingdom to people of all nations. (Matt. 24:14)

  (2) They have no explanation for why they teach that God's Organization is spirit-directed when no organization in the Bible ever was.

  The organizations in the bible were spirit-directed, it talks of disciples praying to God.

  (3) They have no explanation for claiming God uses the Faithful and Discreet Slave "Class" exclusively as a conduit for "new light" (that is, new teachings that may directly contradict old teachings)

  The path of the righteous ones is like the bright light getting

  brighter and brighter until the day is clearly established.

  (4) They have no explanation as to why they teach that the "other sheep" of John 10:16 have a different destiny from the ones already in the fold, although the Scripture specifically states

  that the two groups of sheep are from different sources but have the same destiny .

  The Bible does not state the sheep are from different sources,

  The sheep are on the earth and refer to people of a teachable nature. All the sheep have the hope of living forever.
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  Apostates

  by lime05 in

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  does anyone know whats happened to the site.

  http://www.apostates.net it was working a few months ago now it doesnt.

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  lime05

  Have you checked with your server?

  Do you mean my service provider? no i havent but all other sites are working ok so it cant be that.
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  Satan

  by lime05 in

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  satan was created as a righteous angel, "he did not stand fast in the truth".

  he is called "satan," or "resister," because he has opposed and resisted jehovah.. so whos to say the perfect humans in paradise wont "oppose" or "resist" jehovah after christs thousand year reign.

  after all their is no jw teaching which says the devil was decieved by anyone infact it was down to greed.

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  The Watchtower has never said there will not be opposers who prove unrightous in the new System.

  Crime, violence, and wickedness will be gone forever. "Evildoers themselves will be cut off ... Just a little while longer, and the wicked one will be no more ... He will not be. But the meek ones themselves will possess the earth." (Psalm 37:9-11)

  All who oppose God's Kingdom and who are part of Satan's wicked system will be eliminated. Only those loyal to Jehovah will survive. -Revelation 7:9, 14; 19:11-21.

  Perfection! What will it mean? It will mean a return to life the way Adam and Eve enjoyed it before they sinned against Jehovah God. Physically, mentally, emotionally, morally, spiritually -in every way imaginable - perfect humans will fully meet God's standards.

  Promises such as 'wickedness will be gone forever' and 'the wicked one will be no more' certainly sounds like their i mplying Jesus will only r esurrect those who are rightous in this 'wicked system' then during the thousand year reign, all sin will be removed and mankind will be raised to perfection.-1 John 2:2; Revelation 21:1-4.

  "There is no man righteous in the earth that keeps doing good and does not sin." (Ecclesiastes 7:20)

  So as all sin will be removed all the people will not sin therefore they will be righteous and keep doing good.

  As Jehovah is perfect he must have perfect standards if perfect humans will fully meet God's standards im sure one of God's standards is for no one to oppose him. but im sure the dubs will have some excuse its down to humans 'free will', etc..
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  Satan

  by lime05 in

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  satan was created as a righteous angel, "he did not stand fast in the truth".

  he is called "satan," or "resister," because he has opposed and resisted jehovah.. so whos to say the perfect humans in paradise wont "oppose" or "resist" jehovah after christs thousand year reign.

  after all their is no jw teaching which says the devil was decieved by anyone infact it was down to greed.

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  so, if there ever was a paradise, it would be much like the world is now. actually, as far as i am concerned, the earth already is a paradise.

  Correct. if a perfect angel created by Jehovah can turn evil through its 'own desires' and a perfect man and woman can obey a serpent instead of their God it makes the organizations false hope of Jehovahs 'new kingdom' through applying the 'accurate' knowledge of God seem like a twisted wind up.
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  Apostates

  by lime05 in

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  does anyone know whats happened to the site.

  http://www.apostates.net it was working a few months ago now it doesnt.

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  lime05

  Does anyone know whats happened to the site. http://www.apostates.net it was working a few months ago now it doesnt.
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  Another newbie

  by jessthebull in

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  i just wanted to introduce myself, i have been lurking around for a while reading posts and identifying with so many of the experiences within them.

  i have only stopped going to the meetings in the last year and it is only in the last couple of months that i have really started to research this "religion" that has been such a huge part of my life.

  i dont live at home any more but am still in regular contact with my jw family and one or two friends.

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  lime05

  Hi welcome, here are some points i was given when i first joined the site which form the entire basis for the jw's organizational authority structure.

  (1) They have no explanation for why they believe the Faithful and Discreet Slave is a class (or group) of people. (Matthew 24:45-47)

  (2) They have no explanation for why they teach that God's Organization is spirit-directed when no organization in the Bible ever was.

  (3) They have no explanation for claiming God uses the Faithful and Discreet Slave "Class" exclusively as a conduit for "new light" (that is, new teachings that may directly contradict old teachings)

  (4) They have no explanation as to why they teach that the "other sheep" of John 10:16 have a different destiny from the ones already in the fold, although the Scripture specifically states

  that the two groups of sheep are from different sources but have the same destiny
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  Satan

  by lime05 in

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  satan was created as a righteous angel, "he did not stand fast in the truth".

  he is called "satan," or "resister," because he has opposed and resisted jehovah.. so whos to say the perfect humans in paradise wont "oppose" or "resist" jehovah after christs thousand year reign.

  after all their is no jw teaching which says the devil was decieved by anyone infact it was down to greed.

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  lime05

  Satan was created as a righteous angel, "he did not stand fast in the truth". He is called "Satan," or "resister," because he has opposed and resisted Jehovah.

  so whos to say the perfect humans in paradise wont "oppose" or "resist" Jehovah after Christs Thousand Year Reign. after all their is no jw teaching which says the devil was decieved by anyone infact it was down to greed. Satan nurtured this greedy desire until it became fertile and gave birth to sin - James 1:14,15.
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  "Jesus saves because he died for us."

  by daniel-p in

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  "jesus saves because he died for us.

  and what a valuable provision his death is!

  when we see it as a part of god's solution to the complex problem of adam's sin, our faith in jehovah and his way of doing things is strengthened.

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  When we see it as a part of God's solution to the complex problem of Adam's sin

  im sure eve 'sinned' also.

  just reading the 'knowledge that leads to everlasting life' book.

  Yes, the Devil is a malicious "manslayer". The Bible reveals that he is a real person, not just the evil in someone's heart. (Matthew 4:1-11) Although created as a righteous angel, "he did not stand fast in the truth." How fitting it is that he is named Satan the Devil! (Revelation 12:9) He is called "Satan" or "resister", because he has opposed and resisted Jehovah. This criminal is also called "Devil", meaning "slanderer", for he has blasphemously misprepresented God. Since Satan knows that his time is short, he will do all he can to vent his wrath on those who want to keep integrity to God (Revelation 12:12)

  if Satan KNOWS his time is short and had the inmense power to ruin Adam and Eves perfection how can jw's confidently say that the King Jesus Christ will take action against Satan and all who follow him. the devils not exactly a pushover is he. maybe Jehovah has realised this hence the date for Armageddon keeps changing.
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  "Jesus saves because he died for us."

  by daniel-p in

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  "jesus saves because he died for us.

  and what a valuable provision his death is!

  when we see it as a part of god's solution to the complex problem of adam's sin, our faith in jehovah and his way of doing things is strengthened.

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  The way I see it..God could have bound Satan up for the duration of time needed to prove he has faithful ones who will worship him (GOD) that is.

  good point. as God is an all powerfull omnipresent being, God could destroy the devil today if he wanted to but of course we mere mortal humans are being put through 'a test' to see if we do Gods will. but as we are 'in the last days' that 'test' will soon be coming to an end. when it does come to an, what about all the generations of people who have yet to be born? why dont they get to prove themselves? not exactly a fair test by our perfect creator is it.
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  "Jesus saves because he died for us."

  by daniel-p in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  "jesus saves because he died for us.

  and what a valuable provision his death is!

  when we see it as a part of god's solution to the complex problem of adam's sin, our faith in jehovah and his way of doing things is strengthened.

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  lime05

  Are you thankful to God for making this loving arrangement for our salvation?"

  erm not exactly. considering we are suffering with ageing, sickness and death because his first human 'creation' adam and eve ate the wrong fruit.