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  Something tells me 1914...

  by Monsieur in

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  2. beliefs

  after todays watchtower lesson, and the lessons coming, something tells me bigger and bigger new understandings are coming.

  and that it will culminate with 1914. notice how jesus is now coming, and no longer already here.

  the current understanding is both, he is here and hes also coming.

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  wizzstick

  I have to agree with the idea that 1914 has a shelf life, but I suspect for a while yet.

  To some of the above who believe it can't be dropped, the difference with JW's and other faiths who have changed their beliefs is that a) they have focused on 1914 for so long (almost 140 years) and b) it is at the heart of the public ministry. In 2064, how ridiculous will it look to talk about Christ's return 150 years ago? And still nothing has happened.
  

  So how could they drop it?

  There are two obvious ways. Overtly or covertly . Overtly could be done if someone can devise an 'inspiring' way of doing a whole re-work of their numbers game. If it could include 1914 and then have a new start date, and a return of the old 'within a literal generation' then job done. As long as the R&F can believe that the end is imminent they will continue to put their lives on hold.

  Covertly means quietly dropping ala the Kings of the North and South. Mentioning it less and less and the decades go by. Until it becomes meaningless to the young JW's of the future and it's never mentioned again.

  As they don't seem to have a new seer like Freddie Franz then covertly seems the more likely option in my opinion.
  
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  Islamic Scholars Schools Atheist's Video! Hyde Park London Debate. Please Help Tear His Logic up, please!

  by PokerPlayerPhil in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hi, i watched this video and was greatly insulted by the tactics used by islamic apologist who claims he can defeat any atheist or non monotheists through his basic logic.

  where do you begin, might be interesting if cofty debated this guy, no, i like cofty and don't want him getting jumped by all the followers who fall for this guys logical errors.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtgnfzwjd0i.

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  Nothing worse than a 'believer' arguing with someone who doesn't know enough about how science works. Does this fool think Oppenheimer split the atom just on the basis of his senses? There was no evaluation and critique of empirical data by a group of fellow scientists?
  

  How have other scientists replicated his work then? They also just used their senses?

  Muppets - both of them.
  
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  "Evidence" of a "smokelike pall"... This was the last straw for me back in 2008. Fade began with this:

  by DarioKehl in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  from that nutty red book of insanity, the grand climax at hand book, chapter 22, paragraphs 7 & 8. .

  i had my doubts since childhood.

  i went along with it to please people.

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  wizzstick

  im not sure if it's even in the library at JW dot org

  Aside from the Reasoning book, there are no 20th century JW books in the book area of the WT Online library.

  That in itself speaks volumes...
  
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  "Evidence" of a "smokelike pall"... This was the last straw for me back in 2008. Fade began with this:

  by DarioKehl in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  from that nutty red book of insanity, the grand climax at hand book, chapter 22, paragraphs 7 & 8. .

  i had my doubts since childhood.

  i went along with it to please people.

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  wizzstick

  The Isaiah book was the last for me and going to the book study. I could not bear sitting through such repetitive, baseless garbage.

  Me too.
  

  Compounded by the Study Conductor being (a very nice) brother with a VERY strong West Indies accent and a repetitive word habit..

  "So brothers, we see...don't we...dat Je'ovah...don't we..dat Is in 'eaven"...don't we...etc.

  He talked and talked and talked. The study would last 90 minutes - 2 hours!

  Plus I also found the book incredibly dull and repetitive. It was probably then that I started to wake up.
  
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  Scientific Proof that Evolution is NOT Scientific!

  by Nicola.threeangelsmessage in

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  2. friends

  bruce malone, an outstanding scientist has absolute scientific proof that evolution is not scientific!.

  bruce, a leading researcher for dow chemical for 30 years; he is one of the top 100 inventors eighteen of his inventions raised millions of dollars; and has a b.s.

  degree in chemical engineering.

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  What did you think, Christian's don't fight back. As I said, if you want to dish it out, be prepared to receive it back.

  Matthew 5:39:

  
  

  "But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also."

  
  

  Your God commands you to do this. If you don't maybe his grace might run out Nicola...
  

  
  

  
  
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  How to change some significance of 1914.

  by sloppyjoe2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i first do not think they will change anything about 1914 for at least 20 or more years but one day it will have to happen.

  since 1914 is their meal ticket and they have it in print prior to the year happening, they will never abandon the year altogether.

  they have too much tied into 1914-1919 as well as have held onto it for too long.

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  Nice idea.

  What I think they will do is leave 1914 as the year Jesus was enthroned and his presence began as well as satan being cast to the earth.

  One problem is that they tie in Christ beginning his heavenly rule in 1914 after casting out of Satan and his Demon hordes. Which in turns kicks of the Last Days.

  So if he's ruling since 1914 what happened to Satan and his gang? They still up there? Or out of heaven but mooching around as the Last Days hasn't started yet?

  JW theology is like jenga blocks. You can pull so many bits out but it will all fall down at some point.
  
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  Deborah Frances-White comedian - on being a JW

  by wizzstick in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  deborah relates her experiences of being a jw in this bbc radio 4 broadcast.. deborah frances white - rolls the dice.

  very funny and by and large very accurate.. fruit based economy indeed!.

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  Deborah relates her experiences of being a JW in this BBC Radio 4 broadcast.
  

  Deborah Frances White - Rolls The Dice

  Very funny and by and large very accurate.

  Fruit based economy indeed!
  
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  Be honest with me "how soon is soon?"

  by Sour Grapes in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the witchtower is being more careful now about putting a date.

  out there for the beginning of the great tribulation.

  they have learned their lesson from 1975. however they sure.

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  wizzstick

  guess what, that darn number keeps popping up. 1,200 and 3 score = 1,260 X 2=?

  It crops up amongst crazy end-timers. Not human beings who have powers of reason and logic.
  
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  Evidence for an Egyptian Presence In Early PalestineEgyptian Artifacts Salvaged from Robbed Tomb in Israel

  by fulltimestudent in

  1. social
  2. current

  i've posted evidence elsewhere indicating that ancient israel was at times part of the egyptian empire.

  that means that the exodus documents incorporated into the old testament, is a mythical story.

  the israelites did not leave egypt.

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  SimonSays

  This however does not exclude the exodus as archeology has since then found Egyptian chariot wheel frames in the ocean floor in the red sea.

  Not so:
  

  http://www.snopes.com/religion/redsea.asp
  
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  The Bones are starting to Show

  by Slidin Fast in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  the latest phase of the uk charity commission case included this:.

  subsequent to the opening of the inquiry, in a letter dated 10 july 2014, mr cook of the watchtower informed the respondent that the disfellowshipping hearing for mr rose had in fact been carried out by the elders of a different congregation, so the charity had played no role in that process.

  mr cook (who is the in-house solicitor at the watchtower) later elaborated on his own letter in a witness statement for the tribunal.

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  wizzstick

  did not select the elders who conducted the disfellowshipping and had no control over the process they followed
  

  Had no control over the process they followed?

  What?

  So these elders didn't use the Shepherd the Flock book then?