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  Atheists and JWs are on the same footing!

  by exWTslave in

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  atheists believe that god should stop the large-scale injustice on earth; if he does'nt, then he does not exist.

  jws believe that god will intervene sometime in the last days!.

  interestingly, both throw themselves on their own expectation of soemthing god should or will do, yet in fact something god does not have to do.

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  I would not say (to paraphrase) 'If bad things happen that proves there is no God'. But, I would say, that 'bad things happening' does disprove certain gods; this is because the definition of certain gods run contrary to 'bad things happening'. The Epicurean paradox, I believe, runs contrary to the Christian god mostly described as being 'all loving, all powerful, etc...'.

  To look at a sillyexample. "If beard exists, it proves someone has chosen to grow beard--it doesn't prove a barber does not exist". If my definition of my God was: A god that is all powerful, loves the clean shaven as beards go against his very nature, beards represent highest moral wrong, he directs his holy spirit scissors at will throughout the known universe, loves all infinately, but those with beards will burn in hell fire for eternity. Now the fact that beards exist would potentially mean my god does not exist...eg if he infinately loves some with a beard, he would not want them to burn in hell, my god has the power to cut a beard off so why would he not?

  An atheist can only really examine your God hypothesis by the characteristics you assign to the god if no direct evidence for your god exists.
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  More JW bragging about the Landover, MD. convention. Please have barf bag at the ready before reading

  by AndDontCallMeShirley in

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  the following e-mail is circulating among jws about the international convention at fedex stadium in landover, md.

  note the all-too-familiar jw claims: everything they do (including the simple act of parking cars) is proof of jehovah'stm blessing, and everything wt did at the convention was the fastest, greatest, best ever.

  oh, and the never-fails-to-get-mentioned alleged 'persecution'/resistance from some unnamed authority who tried to get in watchtower's way and hamper the effort...but jws prevailed anyway (as always):.

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  I cannot help thinking that the holy spirit could better be directed altering the trajectories of bombs\shells falling on innocent children in various parts of the world.

  I do not think many JW's actually think about what spirit directed means... if they did they would realise each trivial claim they make only highlights and shames the inaction.

  In a strange way it reminds of a Martin Luther King quote... "In the End, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends." I think many ex-dubs left with similar thoughts in mind.
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  Thinking it through and not liking the result.

  by donny in

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  today at work a co-worker of mine and i were having lunch at a nearby establishment.

  he is what you would call a c&e christian in that he basically attends church only for the christmas and easter services, though he definitely says he believes in god.. he said that he just recently caught an episode of a crime/forensic show that featured a man from new jersey named john list who was also known locally as the "bogeyman of westfield.

  " list became infamous for murdering his entire family consisting of his wife, three children and his mother on november 9, 1971. see below link for more data.. on the tv show the narrator commented there were a few reasons why he did it.

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  Does this mean that all people that believe Heaven\Hell works this way, and I mean really believe, could 'save' their children 100% from hell if they could summon the courage to sacrifice themselves (that is the nicest\worst possible way to say 'kill their children')?

  What a terrifying thought!? I hope that never reaches the public conciousness - maybe it is best people do not 'think it though'!
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  most important event in the 20th century

  by scotoma in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  june 28 1914 archduke ferdinand was killed by a serbian government sponsored assassination team.. this was the trigger event of world war i. actually some have called it world war (part 1) followed less than 30 years later by world war (part 2).. in retrospect this was a useful date for jw's.. it has propelled them for 100 years.. of course jw's have massaged their predictions about the significance of 1914 over the years.. do you feel that jw's would be what they are today without that great war?

  do you think that the shooting down of the passenger plane over east ukraine will be an equivalent moment that pushes putin into a corner where he will have to fight the west?

  in other words will we look back on that event as the beginning of world war (part 3)?.

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  Some mistake condescension for flattery.
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  most important event in the 20th century

  by scotoma in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  june 28 1914 archduke ferdinand was killed by a serbian government sponsored assassination team.. this was the trigger event of world war i. actually some have called it world war (part 1) followed less than 30 years later by world war (part 2).. in retrospect this was a useful date for jw's.. it has propelled them for 100 years.. of course jw's have massaged their predictions about the significance of 1914 over the years.. do you feel that jw's would be what they are today without that great war?

  do you think that the shooting down of the passenger plane over east ukraine will be an equivalent moment that pushes putin into a corner where he will have to fight the west?

  in other words will we look back on that event as the beginning of world war (part 3)?.

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  Focus, please stop whacking off in public - it would be best if you did it in private.

  I would think many dubs are looking at the conflict between the Muslim and Christian religions hoping and praying the stars would start to fall from heaven soon.

  In my day the general apathy towards religion was at its greatest, the idea that religion would be attacked looked unlikely. We now live in a world where the news at least is seemingly dominated by religious conflict (including the atheist\religious debate); I am sure the many dubs are excited.

  To give my answer to the topic question: I vote for penicillin.
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  I know 2 of the Elders on the Ray Franz JC

  by James Jackson in

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  2. experiences

  when i read coc, i was stunned that the 2 elders (theotis french & rob dibble) were on ray franz judcial committee.

  i have known these men for over 20 years having done rbc and convention work with them.

  they are still elders today which means they were in their early 30's(which is unheard of for a case of this importance to have inexperienced elders to sit on) on this committee.. without revealing myself, i have never tried(but have wanted to), ask them about their on having to judge a former gb member.. then out of the blue, about a year ago, i was mentioning how hard it is trying to get younger ones to volunteer to one of these elders, and he says"this is nothing compared to to sitting on the committee that had to disfellowship ray franz".

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  @James, I haven't really read your back story here, so perhaps you are out now? Potentially the details of the conversation you have posted could ultimately lead to a RL reveal.
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  WHEN WAS THE VERY LAST ARTICLE ON BLOOD IN EITHER THE WATCHTOWER OR THE AWAKE?

  by steve2 in

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  there's been a buzz on this forum - on and off but currently on - that there has not been an article in any watchtower publication on the blood ban for a while - which feeds speculation that the organization is distancing itself from this doctrinal absurdity.

  does that mean there's been nothing mentioned about the blood doctrine for months or years?

  specifically, when did the watchtower last mention the blood ban?

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  I always think of 1 Corinthians 4:6 when the blood transfusion thing rears up.
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  Modern JW Org

  by Infowarrior in

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  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzaw1xe8q70.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvqru9keiw4.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlsfyfiyzgg.

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  Our congregation used to have 'talent' shows every now and again... everything performed had to be vetted first. The event would not be allowed in the Kingdumb Hall, rather a village hall was rented. You certainly were not allowed to get 'carried away'. I suppose that is about as close to the videos as we ever got in the 90's and 00's.

  I cannot say I enjoyed the talent shows, primarily because everything was tinged with that 'falseness' that dubs do best, secondly there never seemed to be much talent on display. After the initial shock and suprise that Brother Boring Britches can play the kazoo wears off, you quickly realise he is going to play all four versus of 'We are Jehovah's Witness' :o\
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  Modern JW Org

  by Infowarrior in

  1. watchtower
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  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzaw1xe8q70.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvqru9keiw4.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlsfyfiyzgg.

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  Oh my! The videos on p1 blew me away - I think my father especially would have beaten everyone there with his 'old' NWT.

  This link too! What is happening!? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xyp6rn8NrM
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  Sisters conducting meetings where there is a lack of brothers

  by booker-t in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i remember years ago when i was a little boy aroung 9 years old, our bookstudy conductor was in the hospital and at the last minute one of the elders asked my aunt to be the book study conductor.

  this was the first time i have seen this happen.

  my aunt did a very good job and the bookstudy acted as it was not something from outer space.

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  M*A*S*H

  Superstitious nonsense at best... patriarchal and abusive at worst. In summary, women were made for men and must wear a tea-towel "because of the angels."

  1Cor 11: 1-10

  Become imitators of me, just as I am of Christ 2 I commend you because in all things you remember me and you are holding fast the traditions just as I handed them on to you. 3 But I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ;+ in turn, the head of a woman is the man;+ in turn, the head of the Christ is God.+ 4 Every man who prays or prophesies with something on his head shames his head; 5 but every woman who prays or prophesies + with her head uncovered shames her head, for it is one and the same as if she were a woman with a shaved head. 6 For if a woman does not cover herself, she should have her hair cut off; but if it is disgraceful for a woman to have her hair cut off or shaved, she should be covered.

  7 For a man should not have his head covered, as he is God’s image+ and glory, but the woman is man’s glory. 8 For man did not come from woman, but woman came from man.+ 9 And what is more, man was not created for the sake of the woman, but woman for the sake of the man.+ 10 That is why the woman ought to have a sign of authority on her head, because of the angels.+