i thought this deserved its own topic.
it is a thought that occurred to me as i read the wt rag that i took to be polite.. it is the public one about the 4 horseman, and it struck me that they are still 100% reliant on their false 1914 doctrine to hang everything on.. if 1914 is proved wrong, what can the credibility of their doomsday message hang on ?.
we all know how to disprove the old 2520 years nonsense, but they seem to at last be hiding that, and simply claiming that world events prove jesus slung the devil out of heaven in 1914.. so, what has that old devil done since 1914, 103 years ago ?.
@waton
Sorry I was using the word 'generation' in the traditional sense. What I meant was there was a generation of witnesses that did truly have a vested interest in the 1914 date. "Millions now living will never die" was their great hope. This is the broken link to which I was referring.
i thought this deserved its own topic.
it is a thought that occurred to me as i read the wt rag that i took to be polite.. it is the public one about the 4 horseman, and it struck me that they are still 100% reliant on their false 1914 doctrine to hang everything on.. if 1914 is proved wrong, what can the credibility of their doomsday message hang on ?.
we all know how to disprove the old 2520 years nonsense, but they seem to at last be hiding that, and simply claiming that world events prove jesus slung the devil out of heaven in 1914.. so, what has that old devil done since 1914, 103 years ago ?.
@Phizzy
Do you really believe that the rank and file are in the religion because of the 1914 date? The 1914 date is simply another 'truth' susceptible to 'new light'.
I think the major reason that most JWs had (ie in the past) a vested interest in 1914 date was because it anchored the 'generation' that would see the end times. This link has been broken... this didn't cause a major walk out or revolution.
Personally I do not believe altering or gradually reducing the importance of the 1914 date will make much difference. Some will see it as a relief I'm sure; Borg HQ have not produce any accurate prophetic dates so far.
In fact I would go as far as to say dropping this last date discovered by biblical numerology will actually free the religion. (Not long after I expect you would see Watchtowers released criticising religions for relying on such superstitious nonsense.)
Ultimately, only time will tell.
hi folks, tight pants twinkle toes here - my first post.
i am the husband of the new poster finally left.
we both recently left, my wife after 43 years and 46 years for me.
Welcome TPTT.
Read part of your story via your other half's posts. It re-enforced my belief that creating space between a JW and the Borg is the best way to help people out (and I mean the best way an external person can help).
In your case dancing lessons helped create space. For me it was sports. For some it is just time away from meetings. Indirectly encouraging JWs with doubts to create space between themselves and the Borg HQ will allow some of the 'hard coded thinking' to melt away hopefully allowing there doubts and critical thinking skills to come to the fore.
Instead of preaching door to door again... I would rather a 'Take a doubting JW to the pub day' once a week :) Especially as I can't dance!
i thought this deserved its own topic.
it is a thought that occurred to me as i read the wt rag that i took to be polite.. it is the public one about the 4 horseman, and it struck me that they are still 100% reliant on their false 1914 doctrine to hang everything on.. if 1914 is proved wrong, what can the credibility of their doomsday message hang on ?.
we all know how to disprove the old 2520 years nonsense, but they seem to at last be hiding that, and simply claiming that world events prove jesus slung the devil out of heaven in 1914.. so, what has that old devil done since 1914, 103 years ago ?.
IMHO 1914 is not really the key to anything. The cognitive dissonance required to be a JW will overcome a change to the 1914 date, a gradual fading of the importance of the date or even a simple restating the date as 'around the year 1914'. I feel like we have a new generation of JWs less interested in biblical numerology or at least the borg seem to be de-emphasising its importance.
When the first change to the "generations" understanding came out... for the first time in my life I looked forward to the Sunday Watchtower discussion. In my mind there would be uproar, chairs thrown and a mass walk out. Not so much as a whimper
I have had a couple of discussions with Apathy Trolley Minders and noticed a lack of ability or perhaps willingness to discuss doctrine, rather they would rather 'let the literature do the talking'. Would others agree with this, I would be interested!?
looking at the board, i see so many long threads on " evoultion vs creation " ect, ect.. therefore if " your" qualifications are only those of " an" uneducated j.w, may i ask one question?.
q) what makes you feel you are now qualified to comment with absolute ,authority on any discussion?.
i ask the above question because for most of us " ex-witnesses " logic is still words written in the pages of an awake" magazine.
just thought id let you all in on some info i found on northeasttruth.com.
that magical moment where the moon blocks out the sun!
but only just enough to perfectly cover the suns disc, whilst still allowing us to see the corona of light and other electromagnetic forces radiating from it.. this only happens because the moon diameter is exactly 1/400th the size of the suns and is positioned at exactly 1/400th of the distance between earth and the sun!so, when we see it from the surface of earth, we are in the only place this can ever be seen, at the only time it could ever happen.
This only happens because the Moon Diameter is exactly 1/400th the size of the Suns and is positioned at exactly 1/400th of the distance between Earth and the Sun!
Err... no. Nothing is exact, I think 'roughly' would fit better. If you disagree, please explain the difference between an Annular and Total eclipse?
Funny, I only grin like that when my pants \ trousers are too tight.
anyone else also hold this view or understand it at least, or do you feel the need to argue that both can in no way coexist?.
Vidqun: Half banana, as you might have noticed, the chain of evidence, involving the laws of information and DNA, disproves the "scientific theorum" of evolution.
Just a few questions.
If the "scientific theorum" of evolution has indeed been disproved what competing theory do you feel replaced it?
Are we now back to a position of 'we do not understand DNA'? Do you have a alternate hypothesis?
From your post I am assuming you mean the entire 'Modern Synthesis' has fallen? The theory is very wide ranging? Are you saying that you have proof that the entire theory is incorrect?
When you claim that DNA could not evolve, what is your degree of certainty? Does your hypothesis mean the chance of DNA evolving is 0% or would you concede that the chance must be > 0%.
anyone else also hold this view or understand it at least, or do you feel the need to argue that both can in no way coexist?.
Just read through this thread, waiting for the proof that god created life? Did I miss it?
There were some arguments from personal incredulity and ignorance and of course the OP is 'kinda' begging the question.
Where is the evidence that a god, or Crabby's god created life?
your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.
k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.
in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.
Whoever managed to organise this wonderfully constructed and contrived parody of a deist v atheist group chemistry discussion, 'hat's off to you'! My favorite bit is at the end when Kate pretends to lose her grasp on reality.
To all the players... bravo.
It is parody right?
