Posts by SimonSays

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587 vs 607: JW sources only

by wifibandit in

the latest jw podcast has inspired me to update the copypasta comment that i post anytime this topic comes up.. i have formatted it to more closely follow the wonderful www.jwfacts.com table.

i have also added a few more links directly to the jw online library.

"evil-merodach reigned two years" w65 1/1 p. 29.

SimonSays

Hmmmmm!!!!!!!!

You have the starting point square at 539B.C.

J.B. Pritchard, Ancient Near Eastern texts rel, 3rd ed. (Princeton University Press, 1969)

A.K. Grayson, Babylonian and Assyrian chronicle (Locust Valley, J.J. Augustin, 1975)

September/October 539 BC the Persian and Babylonian armies met at Opis, east of the Tigris. Cyrus was victorious, the cities of Sippar and Babylon surrendered, Nabonidus was captured, and the Persian king entered Babylon as the new ruler.

Even though you don’t show secular reasoning to establish timeline, there seems to be acceptance of secular time frame. So if you’re willing to accept the Babylonian army simply gave up in 539BC. Then, this would be a point of debate.

Now the lunar/solar cycle to my reckoning started later around 5 BC. Before, it was lunar. There’s also some confusion that certain Kings would suggest the start of the calendar year.

So without having access to the above books, I would be able to calculate with more certainty that will suggest the Babylonians surrendered in 538BC, thus bring into line the decree given by Cyrus the Great in that year in the month of Nissannu (Babylonian)-Nissan (Jewish)-March/April (Julian) which was the harvest of onions season. Since it was harvest time, then Cyrus most likely made his decree in the planting season which allowed the Jewish people time to prepare and go back to Jerusalem by the last harvest in Addaru (Babylonian)-Adar (Jewish)-February/March (Julian).

When people make argument of calendar years, they automatically have a mindset of confusing year tables. While the Julian calendar runs from January-December 12 months, The Babylonian and Jewish calendar runs from March-February 12 months.

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The real issue is long term solvency.

by joe134cd in

ok every one raves on at how miserable and tight wt is, while they are literally swimming in money and assets.

although this may be true this isn't the real issue or the problem to begin with.

the problem is having a long term survivable business plan.

SimonSays

believe the purpose of the WTS money grab is to build a huge investment portfolio that will allow them to be self-sustaining financially. Donations may wane in tough economic times, but investments keep paying interest.

I agree with DoC. Does anyone know if the WTS has any type of incidental insurance that protect corporations? I believe the term squander the money is presumptuous.

By long term solvency and survival maybe you meant sustainable. If you did, Perhaps you aren't aware that one of the first things a "sustainable" business would do is try to retain talent, creative people with critical skills

The talent is in the structure of the WTS, aside from that, many talents are utilized for different purposes. Remember this is a Religious Organization, not ABC broadcasting.

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The real issue is long term solvency.

by joe134cd in

ok every one raves on at how miserable and tight wt is, while they are literally swimming in money and assets.

although this may be true this isn't the real issue or the problem to begin with.

the problem is having a long term survivable business plan.

SimonSays

All you need is to ask someone who knows about tax exempt businesses which ultimately religions fall under. Very religion has what is called a business portfolio. This means to have governments monitor charitable contributions that are made for religious purposes.

Monies that are made by let’s say sales of buildings automatically revert back to the portfolio, not the people or the governing body. This also keeps an eye of interest generated. Some charities are not tax exempt by which the interest generated will pay those taxes.

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Did judge Rutherford piss off Hitler

by greenhornet in

the jws at the time in germany where considered part of the aryan race, (since they were not jews).

then things changed for the jws after rutherford mailed a letter to hitler bragging about jehovahs kingdom on earth.. so can we add this to the bloodshed that that the watchtower corp is responsible for?.

SimonSays

Lol! I believe you have just described politics.

Which is my premise. Religion = Politics. You can't separate the two.

Wrong sir, it doesn’t take a genius to have a conclusion that if past Witnesses were political motivated the ignorance will then in sue to modern ideology. I reject your premise.

Jehovah’s Witnesses or Bible Students never had or will have political agendas to either public or government.

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Did judge Rutherford piss off Hitler

by greenhornet in

the jws at the time in germany where considered part of the aryan race, (since they were not jews).

then things changed for the jws after rutherford mailed a letter to hitler bragging about jehovahs kingdom on earth.. so can we add this to the bloodshed that that the watchtower corp is responsible for?.

SimonSays

SIMON: Since this question is inflammatory and posses danger to Jehovah’ Witnesses in parts of the world under communist rule. It is obvious worldwide readers inter this domain. Such lies and wild accusations of any political affiliations by Jehovah’s Witnesses by utter discontent and shameless intentions to prove by distortion is a liable issue by placing within an organization that government views as subversive due to unconscionable people that place human lives not the organization which they serve in danger by such lies perpetrated by ignorance and the lack of knowledge. I will in all haste call upon your love for humanity to have your members reframe from such despicable accusations and tactics. Thank You.

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Rutherford's Hitler Letter - An Alternate History

by cappytan in

if you're unaware of the letter tinged with anti-semitism and offering tacit approval that rutherford wrote to hitler, see this article on jwfacts.. so, we all know the witnesses were persecuted quite a bit during the war years.

i personally had family that was in jail with brother schroder in the 40's for the crime of "peddling.

i'm an agnostic fader, however i still think the mob violence against the witnesses was deplorable.

SimonSays

So what you’re saying is, if someone throws you in jail for your religious beliefs and lies made upon you, and then you find out who was behind it and their motives, you would sit and do nothing? Got it.

The RCC were cowards not to express their views of discontent through the pulpit.

You’re a better person/ since everyone else were thinking of their families, and since it was a perilous time, people were thinking about taking care of them since they were the bread winners, and due to someone else bigotry now the Students had 2 things to contend with instead of 1.

Yeah! You’re a real humanitarian. By the way don’t use your convoluted double talk or reverse psychology on me; I’m aware of your distortion tactics.

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Is 2034 the ultimate Watchtower date?

by cultswatter in

a recent wacktower had hinted that the year 2034 would be the final date for armaggedon.

if armageddon has not arrived by 2035 then will the wts close shop for good or will they simply accuse the past presidents of apostacy and regroup to form another daughter of the tower offshoot baseless religion?.

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SimonSays

However I agree with Fisherman: All the hysteria and confusion ended up being the conclusion of the 6000 day. The same clarification was mentioned in 1976. So what has happened since 1975 worldwide?

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Is 2034 the ultimate Watchtower date?

by cultswatter in

a recent wacktower had hinted that the year 2034 would be the final date for armaggedon.

if armageddon has not arrived by 2035 then will the wts close shop for good or will they simply accuse the past presidents of apostacy and regroup to form another daughter of the tower offshoot baseless religion?.

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SimonSays

That's a damn lie. I was there in 1974 and I heard a talk given to 10,000+ people in attendance by none other than Frederick Franz. He said that the end might happen within a few months or a few years after 1975 but not decades.

So was I, and I was telling people to stop listening to stupidity. This is the confusion you don’t seem to rethink, words. So the lies come from you. Phrase was: It could be possible.

Might Definition:

1. Past of May, used especially

2. Used in questions and request.

Happen Definition:

1. To take place; come to pass; occur:

Something interesting is always happening in New York.

2. To come to pass by chance; occur without apparent reason or design: not ask me what caused it—it just happened, that's all.

Possible Definition: **********************************************

1. Able to be done; within the power or capacity of someone or something.

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Rutherford's Hitler Letter - An Alternate History

by cappytan in

if you're unaware of the letter tinged with anti-semitism and offering tacit approval that rutherford wrote to hitler, see this article on jwfacts.. so, we all know the witnesses were persecuted quite a bit during the war years.

i personally had family that was in jail with brother schroder in the 40's for the crime of "peddling.

i'm an agnostic fader, however i still think the mob violence against the witnesses was deplorable.

SimonSays

Families who had a son serving in the armed forces had tender emotions pushed to the limit by the public declarations of J-Dubs calling down condemnation. Go all the way back to the book THE FINISHED MYSTERY and read the incredibly incendiary language. It caused the WTS leaders to be tried, convicted, and imprisoned for treason.

I disagree, the assertion that bible students were deliberately asking for trouble is wrong. I suggest you reread the book The Finished Mystery again, but with a good pair of reading glasses to understand the J-Dubs as you call them were being attacked publicly and in print by the Catholic Church and with clueless self promoting bigots calling themselves preacher by calling this group Charlatans and whatever else. Eventually the Catholic Church by means of misleading the government by suggesting the Bible Students / Jehovah’s Witnesses were in essence unpatriotic traitors landed many in prison.

So Russell and Rutherford, instead of taking this despicable situation personally, they instead condemned those agitators through the pulpit, action.

The same kind of nonsense that goes on here.

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Is 2034 the ultimate Watchtower date?

by cultswatter in

a recent wacktower had hinted that the year 2034 would be the final date for armaggedon.

if armageddon has not arrived by 2035 then will the wts close shop for good or will they simply accuse the past presidents of apostacy and regroup to form another daughter of the tower offshoot baseless religion?.

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SimonSays

This is funny; you’re putting words in the mouth of the WTS that haven’t been spoken by them. The same hysteria that happened in 1975 by a bunch of clueless self promoting people within the organization that were in essence confused or just studying.

Good work people, you inadvertently solved your own conundrum of how 1975 happened.