Posts by SimonSays

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Did Geoffrey Jackson Commit Perjury, or Just "Spiritual Warfare"?

by The Searcher in

mr. jackson was pressured by angus stewart to answer if the org condoned corporal punishment, to which he openly stated that the org does not condone corporal punishment for j.w.

children.

this "fact" has never been revealed in the org's literature, in fact, this article which was published under geoffrey jackson's supervision, by definition demonstrates the org's approval of corporal punishment for j.w.

SimonSays

Searcher: If you’re going to sabotage by attempting to misrepresent FACTS, I suggest you revise and consent your belligerence. TEACHING PROPER VALUES. When will you people learn. Get a life dude.

On Teaching Proper Values:

In a 1969 New York Times Magazine article, Dr. Bruno Bettelheim stressed that a child has the "right to form his own inner opinions, influenced not by [his parents'] authoritative [preaching], but only by his own direct experience with life." Almost 30 years later, though, Dr. Robert Coles, author of The Moral Intelligence of Children (1997), acknowledged: "Children very much need a sense of purpose and direction in life, a set of values" approved by their parents and other adults.

Proverbs 22:6 urges parents: "Train up a boy according to the way for him; even when he grows old he will not turn aside from it." The Hebrew word translated "train" also means "initiate" and here indicates the initiating of the first instruction of the infant. Parents are thus encouraged to start teaching their children proper values from infancy on. (2 Timothy 3:14, 15) What they learn during these formative years is likely to remain with them.

On Discipline:

Dr. James Dobson wrote in The Strong-Willed Child (1978): "Corporal punishment in the hands of a loving parent is a teaching tool by which harmful behavior is inhibited." On the other hand, in an article adapted from the seventh edition of the popular book Baby and Child Care (1998), Dr. Benjamin Spock said: "Spanking teaches children that the larger, stronger person has the power to get his way, whether or not he is in the right." OUTSIDE SOURCE, NOT THE WTS

With regard to discipline, the Bible states: "The rod and reproof are what give wisdom." (Proverbs 29:15) However, not all children need physical punishment. Proverbs 17:10 tells us: "A rebuke works deeper in one having understanding than striking a stupid one a hundred times." 99.9% of times JW Children get scolded.

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The Org is terrified of apostates

by SecretSlaveClass in

i knew apostasy was a serious concern for the org, but until i watched this video, i had no idea how afraid they actually were.

all this guy wants is to do is not turn in his fs hours and immediately they (elders) set about drilling him about who are what influenced his decision, as if he was incapable of making his own (which as the elders confirm, in the org is highly discouraged).

they are convinced he has been communicating with apostates or visiting apostate web sites.

SimonSays

Yep, your right. The Org. doesn’t fear ignorance and stupidity. If you bother to learn theology, perhaps you’ll understand what that fool couldn’t. Instruction of GIVING. Matthew 6:1-4. But these are the kind of people you guys should cherish, blind obedience to the god of this word.

What we do, must be done from an inward principle, that we may be approved of God, not that we may be praised of men. In these verses we are cautioned against hypocrisy in giving alms, which would having nothing to do with reporting the field service.

But I will say, Apostates and the Catholic Church do have a fear of knowing it doesn’t matter how hard you try, God in heaven will always prevail.

The Catholic Church raised a " cry of alarm “, the newspaper La Republica, because every year ten thousand Catholics become Jehovah's Witnesses. The Jesuit Giuseppe De Rosa said that " the religious point of view the most dangerous are Jehovah's Witnesses. They come fully trained and always have the Bible in hand. "

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Take the Kingdom back to Mexico!

by John Aquila in

if donald trump wins the presidency, about 90% of the jws in my area will have to go back to mexico.

the watchtower will be having a fire sale on kingdom halls.

if trump became president and he followed through on his policy of sending back undocumented immigrants, would that affect the jws publisher numbers big time in the united states?

SimonSays

Yeah, he’s a hardcore. If your 2 miles away from Juarez MX. Then you’re in E.P., so don’t be embarrassed to say it. Aren’t you an ex elder with a big ax to grind? If all Hispanic JW’s are forced out as you put it with your racial undertone, that would mean more Hispanics getting baptized in Mexico.

You and the Catholic Church have a dilemma. While you applaud that fascist Mussolini Trump to get rid of Mexicans while you include JW’s and omit other religions, The Vatican wants to keep the JW’s out of Mexico as per the convention the Pontiff held in Portugal a few months ago.

How will you get Trumpet to fix the problem?

FROM POPE FRANCIS IN PORTUGAL

Moving - Pascom Porto Feliz: Catholic Conference discusses increasing Witnesses ...

Which brings so many people to become Jehovah's Witnesses? This was the question asked by some clerics, as shown by the following quotations. For example, in Bologna, Italy, the ecclesiastical authorities, with the approval of the pope, they held a conference to discuss ways to combat the success of Jehovah's Witnesses.

The Catholic Church raised a " cry of alarm “, the newspaper La Republica, because every year ten thousand Catholics become Jehovah's Witnesses. The Jesuit Giuseppe De Rosa said that " the religious point of view the most dangerous are Jehovah's Witnesses. They come fully trained and always have the Bible in hand. "

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If jw's obeyed all of the bible commandments what would they be like?

by purrpurr in

the jw's cite abstaining from blood along with other cherry picked commandments.

but then ignore the others.

this is very hippocritical and if they are going to obey one commandment they should be obeying the rest.. just as a bit of fun then... what would jw's be like if they obeyed every rule in the bible?.

SimonSays

In general they do cherry pick Old Testament laws to their convenience like many fundamentalist Christians who condemn gays based on scriptures but ignore other scriptures like the ones found in Deuteronomy 22:13-29.
Village idiot

Hey Village idiot, you used an oxymoron for your illustration. Deuteronomy 22:5, revise and constant your point since gays would have been condemned under this mosaic law of the deuteronomist.

You forgot to tell your audience what revision of Christ sacrifice was to the mosaic law that became impractical such as cutting someone’s hand for stealing, cutting off someone’s penis for masturbation, blinding someone for desiring a woman or a man’s wife, cutting off someone’s tongue for lying, being stoned to death for adultery, being hung for fornication, etc. You know, little things like that.

The same impression the RC had when it came time to understand why most of the mosaic law was abolished, but has yet to be accepted by Jews and Muslims. But if you people want the mosaic laws brought back to your respective countries, far be it for any rational person to intervene or stand in your way. Remember in ancient times they were placed to define clean/unclean acts for the purpose of purity, by an individual, family, town, gods house, etc., collectively. In modern times we’d all be failures.

Mark 7:20-23

Romans 13:8-10

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Do you believe Jehovah's Witnesses' Governing Body is the "faithful slave"?

by Marvin Shilmer in

this question is known to be posed by jws to other jws as an acid test of loyalty.

i'm not the first to notice what i'm about to point out and comment accordingly, but today i felt compelled to add a short article on my blog highlighting the new language that governing body member geoffrey jackson supplies as a response.

a person who honestly hesitates to respond with a robust "yes!

SimonSays

Let’s study just this one observation. I love when people think they know theology. To this nameless person, the word “OBEY” trips him. This is APOSTATE 101 since this person view belongs to millions of EXJWs.

And we should blindly obey them: w13 11/15 p. 20 par. 17
All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not. “SPLASH”

MERRIAM-WEBSTER

OBEY:

1: to follow the commands or guidance of

2: to conform to or comply with <obey an order> <falling objects obey the laws of physics>

intransitive verb: to behave obediently

Now the God of Abraham, Jacob, and Isaac requires one thing, does this class know what that is, right, you guess it.

This fellow must have been a radical in his day, and the way he writes still is. It seems through ignorance suggest that NO ONE is OBEDIENT. I guess NONE of YOU OBEY secular laws, parents, spouses that tell us, “don’t open the door, its JW”, our employer, silly me, I thought I lived in earth. I guess when you see a stop sign, none of you stop. When you see a RED LIGHT, you people DON’T STOP either. No wonder there’s a lot of auto accidents in the world, now I know it’s the DISOBEDIENT PEOPLE. BLIND OBEDIENCE. Hmm, what a devastating concept. That means 8 billion people have been thinking wrong. I’m shocked, SYRIA! or PRACTICAL OBEDIENCE to the things as of this point some of us have been taught to obey out of consideration and conscious. Now I’m not talking about you, you little devil, I’m speaking about rational people.

The GB would have us believe they are more qualified than the apostles. Not even the Catholic Church are this haughty. “SPLASH”

Interesting observance. More qualified than apostles. The Catholic church equates the Bishops as Apostles, under their 4th canon creed (APOSTOLIC SEE) but not more. The GB that I know of in 100 years claim to be fulfilling the slave class not the apostolic class, since Jesus outright made that distention, and the GB is basing themselves of being the FDS under that understanding which falls under the apostles not above them, since the slave class has no powers to heal. Wow! 1.4 billion Christians wrong again, you people have your work cut out to email ALL churches that believe they have the healing power.

What is the observation of a penitent man by having people believe in the removal of sin through penance? Who gave them that power, Jah, Jesus, the Apostles since the first Pope built the HOLY SEE on TOP of Peters rock under that assertion. Oh! Yeah, that would mean the Holy SEE is haughtier.

WATCHTOWER 2013 NOVEMBER 15

The prophecy about seven shepherds and eight dukes has its major fulfillment in our day.

Cor. 10:4; Eph. 6:17.

17 Elders who are reading this article can draw some useful conclusions from the account we have just considered:

(1) The most practical step that we can take to prepare for the coming attack of

“the Assyrian” is that of strengthening our faith in God and helping our brothers to do the same.

(3) ALL of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not.

ALL OF US, which include the slave class must be ready to obey who? JAH by any instructions we may receive. Salvation is inconvenient to all the faithful who heed the prophecy of Micah as in ancient ASSYRIA that God’s people be prepared to meet the modern day ASSYRIANS which in part is you people with your attacks.

Reference Watchtower 2013 July 15

It is vital that we recognize the faithful slave. Our spiritual health and our relationship with God depend on this channel. Matt. 4:4; John 17:3.

So while you people might think of what one word might mean to the person who said it, if you can read minds, stop speculating.

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Do you believe Jehovah's Witnesses' Governing Body is the "faithful slave"?

by Marvin Shilmer in

this question is known to be posed by jws to other jws as an acid test of loyalty.

i'm not the first to notice what i'm about to point out and comment accordingly, but today i felt compelled to add a short article on my blog highlighting the new language that governing body member geoffrey jackson supplies as a response.

a person who honestly hesitates to respond with a robust "yes!

SimonSays

This is interesting. In this world, anyone believing that had a calling through the holy spirit is viewed as a hierarchy, yet through rhetorical devices you single out the GB. AJW rhetoric, got to love it. Better email the Pontiff to let him know that he’s mistaken about papal infallibility and worldwide Bishops are liars according to you people, since they hold themselves to a higher standard than the GB. The Pope speaks directly with God, and the Bishops are Apostles according to their creed.

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Please reach out to Te New Yorker

by Jonathan Drake in

i have found an article on their website that moved me to contact them.

i share it here hoping more will contact in a similar vein and maybe we can raise awareness and tear down this propaganda.

i'm writing regarding an article about jehovah's witnesses and their blood transfusion doctrine, found here:http://tinyurl.com/pxku9dgit is clear to me, reading this article, that it's writer is either profoundly ignorant or profoundly biased.

SimonSays

It’s within the frame work of progress that she is relating to. The makeup of blood transfusions was never a cure all from a scientific perspective. Other fusion able material worked just as well in WW2. Now, science has enough insight to produce a reliable substitute or alternative. However, science has always maintained the risk with blood transfusions. So to say, JWs sign their lives away is no riskier when a doctor tells you to sign a document that underlines all those risks associated with a BT. So it becomes a CHOICE of the individual.

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As a Matter of Conscience, I Am Resigning from the Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses

by Sail Away in

after listening to the hearings of the australian royal commission into institutional responses to child sexual abuse, i am no longer content to have simply walked away from the organization.

as a matter of conscience, i do not want my name linked with the organization in any way.

i know this letter has been posted previously, and i thank the author.

SimonSays

Bravo, you guys keep up the good work, anyone else has a letter they care to share.

Examples of such religious practices may include a formal announcement of my non-member status before the [named] Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses, shunning, intentional infliction of emotional distress, harassment, slander, invasion of privacy, etc. Should you engage in any such conduct towards me, I will immediately and fully utilize all legal means to stop those acts. Any and all of the above-named parties may be held jointly and severally responsible.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_association

But then in Braunfeld v. Brown (1961) the Supreme Court seemed to suggest that the Free Exercise Clause might sometimes constitutionally mandate exemptions. And in Sherbert v. Verner (1963), the Court expressly adopted the constitutional exemption model, under which sincere religious objectors had a presumptive constitutional right to an exemption. Wisconsin v. Yoder (1972) reaffirmed this, and the period from 1963 to 1990 is often labeled the Sherbert/Yoder era of Free Exercise Clause law.

http://www.ncsl.org/research/civil-and-criminal-justice/2015-state-rfra-legislation.aspx

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Do you believe Jehovah's Witnesses' Governing Body is the "faithful slave"?

by Marvin Shilmer in

this question is known to be posed by jws to other jws as an acid test of loyalty.

i'm not the first to notice what i'm about to point out and comment accordingly, but today i felt compelled to add a short article on my blog highlighting the new language that governing body member geoffrey jackson supplies as a response.

a person who honestly hesitates to respond with a robust "yes!

SimonSays

Do you believe Jehovah's Witnesses' Governing Body is the "faithful slave"

For an individual among Jehovah's Witnesses faced with the acid test question, what is my recommendation?

I agree with Governing Body member Geoffrey Jackson. The Governing Body views itself as trying to fulfill the role of the biblical 'faithful slave,' but it would be presumptuous to say the Governing Body is the only spokesperson that God is using. I don't see any sense in speculating beyond this. Do you?

The failure with apostate ideology is they always grab at straws. Reviewing the question and answers given by Geoffrey Jackson while seemly making a compiling argument for the opposition? We would need to understand that this were his personal views. His Answers were not Collective or tethered to the governing body. So YES EXJW’s would be wrong in not having the ability to separate fact from fiction, but it is expected.

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GB member Geoffrey Jackson is lying!

by Billy the Ex-Bethelite in

okay, i know the royal commission hasn't started yet.

but i'm confident enough that he will be telling some whoppers.

so i thought i'd be the first to get a thread started for something that will begin... very soon now!.

SimonSays

I wonder why the RC didn't have the nerve to summon the POPE to explain Catholic policies and yet Cardinal PELL dismissed the calm of the RC as outrageous. And I thought you people were against prophecy. That's means billy is the devils helper. You calm the WTS is always changing, NOW YOU KNOW WHY! To have people understand when ignorance over shadows the basic concept of thought.